Dec 3, 2015 Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic. It is, of course, reassuring to know that the vast majority of Muslims have zero interest in replacing Hollywood movies with public executions as evening entertainment. But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.” Every academic I asked about the Islamic State’s ideology sent me to Haykel. Of partial Lebanese descent, Haykel grew up in Lebanon and the United States, and when he talks through his Mephistophelian goatee, there is a hint of an unplaceable foreign accent. According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.” All Muslims acknowledge that Muhammad’s earliest conquests were not tidy affairs, and that the laws of war passed down in the Koran and in the narrations of the Prophet’s rule were calibrated to fit a turbulent and violent time. In Haykel’s estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. “Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition,” Haykel said. Islamic State fighters “are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day.” The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves. Leaders of the Islamic State have taken emulation of Muhammad as strict duty, and have revived traditions that have been dormant for hundreds of years. “What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”
Dec 3, 2015 The Qur'an doesn't just say "k--- those who are trying to k--- you" PERMISSION [to fight] is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged and, verily, God has indeed the power to succour them -: If a Muslim is feeling oppressed, he is free to k--- whoever is oppressing him. That's barbaric and backwards, nothing else. The Qur'an is riddled with war and other barbaric events, Muhammad used to attack innocent caravans and murder the business men. It's inherent in Islam.
Dec 3, 2015 f--- off Your wrong flat out I hope your arab cuz i would love to discuss the verses in arabic where there is no room for intended mistranslation
Dec 3, 2015 Also NO permission isnt given There is three rules to grant you permission, thats how i know you read bbc articles and believe you know it all List those three, go ahead If you know them, you will prove yourself wrong If you dont, then lol
Dec 3, 2015 The caliphate, Cerantonio told me, is not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation. Islamic State propaganda regularly reports the pledges of baya’a(allegiance) rolling in from jihadist groups across the Muslim world. Cerantonio quoted a Prophetic saying, that to die without pledging allegiance is to die jahil(ignorant) and therefore die a “death of disbelief.” Consider how Muslims (or, for that matter, Christians) imagine God deals with the souls of people who die without learning about the one true religion. They are neither obviously saved nor definitively condemned. Similarly, Cerantonio said, the Muslim who acknowledges one omnipotent god and prays, but who dies without pledging himself to a valid caliph and incurring the obligations of that oath, has failed to live a fully Islamic life. I pointed out that this means the vast majority of Muslims in history, and all who passed away between 1924 and 2014, died a death of disbelief. Cerantonio nodded gravely. “I would go so far as to say that Islam has been reestablished” by the caliphate.
Dec 3, 2015 its the exact verse i was discussing on reddit its out of context, its when you are in war with them and to go to war with them, there is rules needed, which doesnt apply to every saudi who is fighting atm with isis
Dec 3, 2015 interesting piece http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427930/our-national-rorschach-test-violence-jim-geraghty
Dec 3, 2015 Perry, I don't know where you live where you think Christiainity is associated with hate crimes "all the time" but that's certainly not the case here in the states. I can't think of one incident where people reacted harshly towards Christianity due to the actions of some people. Even with the recent planned parenthood shooting that happened in Colorado where the guy was found to be very religious and anti-abortion due to his religion. No one turned around and started to blame Christianity. Many Muslims sympathize and support violence? That's just plain wrong. Also, like I said earlier I'm not an expert on Islam. Though interpretations and context does matter. Reading random quotes from various websites online doesn't exactly tell you much of anything. I said this earlier but if Islam was such this violent religion I don't know how it's possible that we live in a reality where a vast majority of Muslims practice their religion in peace.
Dec 3, 2015 That's a cool opinion but you're being mislead by satan and are on a path straight to h---
Dec 4, 2015 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/california-gun-laws-san-bernardino_56606dd8e4b079b2818d7034 This is a good read as well
Dec 4, 2015 Being Islam is a sect of the abrahamic religions, aren't ISIS just hardcore Christians which themselves are softcore jews
Dec 4, 2015 @captain awesome @Charlie Strangelove @Koolo What do you guys think about SA in these situations? They are mentioned frequently when we hear about some of these terrorists previous locations/whereabouts.
Dec 4, 2015 SA is untouchable for their resources. It's not endorsed by the state. The US would never do anything. 15/19 of the hijackers on 9 /11 were Saudi and we invaded Iraq.
Dec 4, 2015 Been doing some research and that's what I'm seeing. Basically we've agreed to not touch them in exchange for cheap oil prices?
Dec 4, 2015 From what I've read, SA isn't the type of country that the US is worried about. It's these small, messy countries that collapse or don't govern that become terrorist states. People like Noam Chomsky suggest, with mountains of evidence, that the US doesn't even want these countries to form functioning democracies either. Just look at all of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
