Jun 22, 2019 @dna hits i agree with your stance on weed I’m sure we agree on more issues and maybe even agree on some candidates who actually care about people
Jun 22, 2019 My oh my For the people my a--- cheeks Marc Lasry, a New York-based hedge fund manager and co-owner of the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks, hosted a fundraiser for Harris on Tuesday, he confirmed to CNBC's "Halftime Report." The goal of the gathering, CNBC reported, was to raise up to $200,000 for her campaign. Yet she came just short of that goal, people familiar with the matter said. In March, Harris was surrounded by Hollywood's power elite at the home of film director J.J. Abrams. Tickets cost $2,800 per guest, with co-chairs donating $10,000, according to The Associated Press. Can a single mom of three kids from rural Nebraska afford to go to that? Nope. I think Harris will cater to the rich and Wall Street moreso than struggling working class families @Enigma Does Bernie go to these elitist, high dollar fundraisers? Didn’t think so. Warren doesn’t either...BUT...she said if she wins the nomination she will.....yikes...she’s a good candidate in the primary and way better than Harris Biden and Pete...but she ain’t no Sanders
Jun 22, 2019 These aren’t minor non-issues we’re talking about here. Candidates are running on these issues as the central theme to their campaign. Kamala Harris isn’t going to run on tuition free college & then if she wins, do a 180 & oppose it. That would certainly insure that she’s a 1 term president. Yes, corporate interests have influence, especially when it comes to the actual writing of the bill but they can’t just snap their fingers & make candidates do 180s on major issues. At the end of the day, politicians know voters are going to hold them accountable to their promises. Sanders was more popular at the beginning of 2015 than Kamala Harris is now—6 months into her presidential campaign. She’s a senator from the largest state in the Union mind you. Sanders was not a “no name.” He was a popular politician who continued to rise in popularity.
Jun 23, 2019 I can't believe it's 2019 and America still stresses over its healthcare. The UK has had the NHS forever. We pay tax (a lot for the most part) and part of that funds our doctors and hospitals. If anything happens to us, general sickness through to broken bones etc we don't have to pay any extra (f---ing ridiculous!). But we do have to wait about 6 hours in a hospital waiting room. We can pay insurance premiums to get private health care. Which essentially means everything happens a whole lot quicker. Or they can be a perk of a Management job. But admittedly, our dental care policies are s---. You beat us on that.
Jun 23, 2019 Compared to Hillary’s massive name recognition, Bernie was not that well known. He was not a household name before he announced. That’s a fact. Average people didn’t know who he was. Everyone knew who Hillary was. She coasted off the Clinton name and insiders tipped the scales in her favor. The more Bernie got his message out there the more he was known. And that was with little (and unfair) media coverage and unfair treatment by the dnc. It was stacked heavily against Bernie in 2016. He would’ve beaten trump head to head. @Enigma Especially in the rust belt. The dnc and corporate interests despise Bernie. They seem to cozy up to Harris, Biden, Booker, Pete and others. Hmmm, I wonder who they will represent? Look at how Obama catered to corporate interests and gave up on “hope and change” and did not fight at all for Medicare For All or do much at all for the people. He used working class tax dollars to bail out a Wall Street for crying out loud. You’re naive in thinking politicians go back on their words. Obama did it a lot. He wasn’t a populist. He was for Wall Street. Trump is doing the same s---. He’s also for Wall Street.
Jun 23, 2019 Progressives view much of the support that the U.S. gives Israel as a co-signing of the heinous s--- they’re doing to the Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza. We believe the U.S. should be much more critical of Israel—even if it means cutting off some sort of funding. Sanders, like pretty much all politicians in the U.S., doesn’t really abide by that. His support for Israel seems to be unconditional. This isn’t what you said earlier. You said Sanders was a “no name” in early 2015 which again, isn’t even remotely true. He was already one of the more popular politicians in the country. Obama in 2003: Obama understood that a single payer system wasn’t going to come easy nor with Republican support. Even back in 2003, 4 years before his presidential run began, he understood that there may need to be a stepping stone in between before going to a single payer system. That stepping stone is Obamacare. Answer me this, would you have rather Obama throw out the Affordable Care Act & now sign it because it wasn’t the single payer bill that we all prefer? Nice strawman. Not what I said. I said politicians don’t just flip on *major issues* at the snap of corporate interests fingers. You can call Obama more moderate or whatever you like but he didn’t promise to imprison Wall Street bankers for the 08 crash. He promised reform which came in the form of Dodd-Frank. You probably don’t think that went far enough, I don’t disagree with that but he did institute more financial regulations like he said he would.
Jun 23, 2019 Obama caved in so much to the republicans and gave up fighting for the people @Enigma You’re actively participating in revisionist history
Jun 23, 2019 Obama started the discussion with a center position (public option) but caved into doing Romneycare which is also a 1990s Republican proposal from Chuck Grassley. The Affordable care act is right wing. I’ll take it over the pre-Obamacare days. The more folks covered the better. But it’s a very very very small step in the direction of what we need The fact is even with a super majority on his side Obama caved to the conservatives. Fact. Don’t sugarcoat it and rewrite history, @Enigma
Jun 23, 2019 You’re soooo bad at this dude. Just because the ACA was inspired from policy implemented by a Republican doesn’t make it “right wing.” Again, the top marginal tax rate was as high as 90% under President Eisenhower, a Republican! Are high tax rates for the rich a “ring wing” idea? No. Stop it. Also, the ACA *barely* passed through Congress. It was considered “dead” so many times. It passed the House by 5 votes, 39 democrats voted against it! If you think a single payer bill would have been for sure passed in 2009 lol you truly don’t know what you’re talking about.
Jun 23, 2019 You’re misinterpreting issues, doing mental gymnastics, deflecting, twisting things to fit your narrative and defending Obama and the status quo democrats again. You can’t help it @Enigma Anyway I’m more interested in finding issues we agree on and defeating Trump in 2020. Bernie is our best bet at winning. Especially in the rust belt.
Jun 23, 2019 This guy really thinks a single payer bill would have passed Congress without issue in 2009 when the ACA barely passed & the reason it passed was because the public option was taken out of the bill lol. The public option didn’t have senate support, what makes you think they would have passed a single payer bill? Lol
Jun 24, 2019 Obama didn’t know how to twist arms and fight for left positions, @Enigma He was a weak centrist. FDR and LBJ knew how to twist arms and fight for the people. They would threaten primaries against certain folks in congress who didn’t vote for certain bills. That’s how to get s--- done in a corrupt congress. Obama already caved in before trying to fight for the people. That’s why Dems lost 1,000 seats under his and Pelosi’s leadership....weak minded centrists who are pro status quo.
Jun 24, 2019 You went from “Obama is a corporate puppet who never really wanted single payer” to “well... he was just weak. He didn’t fight hard enough!” Whatever that means... lol. You really don’t have a solid grasp on how these things work dude. The president can’t just bully everyone into getting *everything* he/she wants. Checks & balances exist for a reason. Even if Obama had done what you suggested though & threatened to primary moderate democrats who didn’t want a public option; what if it didn’t work? What if moderate democrats sat on their hands; the ACA doesn’t pass the senate & then the 2010 primaries come around & republicans take over. Would that have been a better outcome to you? Also, can we keep in mind here that we’re talking democratic politics from literally a decade ago. All these progressive policies that are popular *now* were not very popular 10 years ago. Not even among Democrats.
Jun 24, 2019 @Enigma lol, he was weak and a corporate shill. That’s the third way playbook. Anyway, you don’t get how a president can use the bully pulpit lol And you also don’t get that Obama campaigned as a swashbuckling leftie who was going to change the system. He governed as a weak corporate centrist. Look who he packed his administration with....he gave in to corporate interests because he was full of s--- and not a fighter.
Jun 24, 2019 Still Bernie or bust. Still f--- third way, conservative capitulating. Grow a spine, nerds.
Jun 24, 2019 I don’t think that’s good optics. Gun to my head I’ll vote Biden over Trump. Especially being in PA. Trump + GOP have to be defeated. I do think Bernie is our best bet at winning though. But if he’s not the nominee I’ll vote for whoever is.
