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Politics 2024 General Election Thread

Started by Enigma, Apr 28, 2020, in Life Add to Reading List

Who did you/are you voting for?

Poll closed Nov 6, 2024.

  1. Kamala Harris

    15 vote(s)
    27.3%

  2. Donald Trump

    11 vote(s)
    20.0%

  3. Third Party

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Abstaining

    5 vote(s)
    9.1%

  5. Not a US Citizen, but would vote Democrat

    12 vote(s)
    21.8%

  6. Not a US Citizen, but would vote Trump

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%

  7. Not a US Citizen, but would vote third party or abstain

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%
  1. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 18, 2024
    i don’t inherently believe this country wants everyone to work..they left the borders open and while i have nothing against these people, they are very obviously littered throughout the american blue collar work force where you reside

    anyone who’s an employer wants to spend less and when they find the solution, everyone without a skill getting fired as this country moves closer to socialism..i truly always believed the stimulus for 1200 + unemployment was a soft launch for UBI with voices like andrew yang being simultaneously pushed to the forefront
     
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  2. srsbsns
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    srsbsns

    Jul 18, 2024
    UBI is pretty much the opposite of socialism and is only possible in productive economies.
     
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  3. Zebedee
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    Zebedee Banned

    Jul 18, 2024
    Afeni Shakur x Alex Jones crossbreed baby lookin ahh
     
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  4. pHiLLip fARkLe
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    pHiLLip fARkLe Goofiest Poster on the Forum, Ever.

    Jul 18, 2024
    I voted non American but Trump seeing as how I became a convicted felon last election day
    :chrug:
     
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  5. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Jul 18, 2024
    This is like...THE one thing I believe about this country more than anything, that they want us to work as much as possible lol. The only reason they wouldn't want us to work is when they can automate jobs so they don't have to pay for it anymore.

    Why wouldn't they want us to work?

    What the pandemic did was widen the gap between lower middle and upper class even further.

    The lower class does gig work delivering instacart and DoorDash orders to the middle class so the middle class doesn't have to leave their computers and can keep working and making money for the upper class.

    What does this have to do with socialism? This is like, THE most capitalist practice ever lol. It's the people at the top of the food chain valuing capital over fair labor practices and the good of the people.

    Also Andrew Yang is an advisor for a venture capitalist firm, he's far from a socialist lol

    PS Dope Yu Yu Hakusho avy
     
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  6. reservoirGod
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    reservoirGod reckless adventurer.

    Jul 18, 2024
    No Workers = socialism.

    Everyday is opposites day to Republicans.
     
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  7. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 18, 2024
    forgive the mispeak on socialism @DKC @srsbsns I meant communism, an idea tied in a cute bow touted by the world economic forum a few years ago; though in conjunction with ubi speak, there was potential for beginning groundwork for it

    you know, maybe everything just continues as the world has been going for a while..maybe this is my dot com era..but even as a kid I still have memories of the opening scenes to wall-e

    everything we do involves creating technology to make life easier..even to said gig work, n----s really don't have to leave the house to eat food anymore! nobody worries about mundane things like planting gardens or raising livestock

    one must at least stop and ask where the rate at which we make life more convenient goes..i'll go as far now to say that we've "stagnated" in tech for the last maybe 5 years but there will be a sudden resurgence and leap in tech very soon with products like neuralink (which will help stevie wonder see in his lifetime lmao), robotaxis & tesla bots at the forefront

    the structure you laid out is 100% the structure we exist in and it does work but i still feel technology will be the great disrupter..see, companies like uber and doordash will be fine, but their gig workers will be the first affected..many major cities already use robots to deliver food

    & thanks brah, goated show really..
     
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  8. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 18, 2024
    big short rn?
     
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  9. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 18, 2024
    you'll age worse than your avy m8, take care of yourself and enjoy your youth
     
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  10. reservoirGod
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    reservoirGod reckless adventurer.

    Jul 18, 2024
    Nah, I pulled my positions and bought another condo a year ago.
     
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  11. Chuny
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    Chuny DuttyRock

    Jul 18, 2024
    Was she getting wet or... a transgender?

     
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  12. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 19, 2024
    bad enough he engaged newsom sloppy seconds, these n----s move just like rappers
     
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    Zebedee Banned

    Jul 19, 2024
    Your father should’ve exorcised you when he had the chance. Too late now as the devil clearly has a hold of you.
     
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  14. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 19, 2024
    this ratio has a hold of you
     
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  15. hargydon
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    hargydon No investigation, no right to speak

    Jul 19, 2024
    First of all - Communism & Socialism are synonymous, the primary stage of Socialism is lower-phase Communism. I presume you think the USSR & China are/were Communist countries, which would be correct, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics & Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

    Secondly, the World Economic Forum is a Capitalist institution…

    UBI is designed to maintain Capitalism as the mode of production when the system is failing itself due to production outpacing labour needs. Automation & AI are key components to this. This is also why most of our work are services now, we’re pointlessly forcing people to work to maintain the status quo, it’s a negative feedback loop like DKC explains here:
    One thing not mentioned though is the reserve army of labour, people forced into precarious situations which allows them to not only be exploited further as individuals but can be challengers to the labour market, encouraging the Capitalists to keep wages low as there’ll always be a reserve if people choose to leave. So there is some incentive to maintain a level of unemployment.
     
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  16. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Jul 19, 2024
    Good point. A couple years ago I started a contract gig with like 5 other writers and last summer they said they had to reduce our wages by 20% due to "market challenges." I emailed the other writers saying we should all say we want our wages reinstated or we'll all quit at once but no one else was willing to put up a fight. So I immediately quit and then they all stayed and got more work for less pay.

    I don't judge because I know some of these people have families and might not have been able to risk the possibility of not having any work at all (and it wasn't the only gig I had), but still sucks. There will always be someone desperate enough and they count on that.
     
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  17. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 19, 2024
    right..but wouldn’t UBI in the way I’m describing be more tied to a final stage?

    there is nothing about their “agenda 2030” campaign that screams capitalism..they were/are looking to make a major shift in how the world operates with the ushering in of the “fourth industrial revolution”..whether they’re successful remains to be seen and maybe i give them too much credit but it’s really only the movers and shakers in there so i’m tentatively cautious with what they got going on

    i don’t think these people would work those low paying, mundane jobs if the government offered to pay them a salary the meets or exceeds what they make on their own..during the pandemic, unemployment was paying me more than I had made to that date leaving little incentive for me to do much at the time

    groceries are 4x more expensive today than 4 years ago but these low level workers have not 4x’d their salary..nobody wants to pay ppl 4x their salary in 4 years either so a tipping point could be when cost of living exceeds income, robots take their place and the government offers stimulus programs to low income families

    assuming trump gets elected, we have elon donating $45 million a month to his campaign and i wonder what his stance is on this matter

    IMG_0164.jpeg
    https://www.worldgovernmentsummit.o...-why-the-world-needs-a-universal-basic-income
     
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  18. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jul 19, 2024
    A lot of people's livelihoods would be immensely improved if we simply built more housing & didn't build so much car-centric infrastructure. Forcing low income folks into car ownership is such a scam. Giving local governments so much power was a mistake.
     
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  19. hargydon
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    hargydon No investigation, no right to speak

    Jul 19, 2024
    It’s just a working class concession to maintain the status quo, just like minimum wage, unions, healthcare etc.
    This is the thing, it most likely will be a squeeze of some kind targeting other concessions. I expect the UK to ditch the NHS in favour of a UBI. Honestly if Capitalism’s going down this route I think I would prefer a UBS, where services are provided rather than excess money that may (most likely) become useless, & just be a backhanded policy that looks good but makes us worse off.
    A lot of that is to do with the wars, cost of production has skyrocketed due to trade routes being closed, sanctions being dealt to world energy producers etc. these things not only impact themselves but also cause general market volatility especially when Capitalist’s are price-gouging on these crises.
    The richest man in the world, a proud Capitalist & anti-Communist is advocating for UBI & you’re still not convinced?
     
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  20. pluto✰
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    pluto✰ where the opioids?

    Jul 19, 2024
    you will own nothing and be happy. you say that is a working class concession?

    don’t know anything about UBS but that’s a fantastic idea and a great counter to UBI

    no matter the reason for why the prices have risen (you’re correct tho), nothing about the hikes feels temporary..it’s up and it’s stuck, certainly a prerequisite to what i’m predicting as income levels will never catch up..one more war on the table and many will be up a creek

    elon is capitalist rn because we live in a capitalistic society most likely..none of his upcoming products are built for THIS society (in my opinion)

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