Oct 31, 2020

read the piece. There’s certainly an arrogance or naïveté at play to an extent on Obama’s fault, he likely misjudged the moment under tough circumstances , but this is mostly about optics or communications. In terms of good intentions or making government work Or even have functional policy goals for normal families, the choice is clear and it isn’t close.
I think speaking of complicity , people - largely online and apparently self taught - need to recognize their own culpability, how their views have been formed by misinformation or hive mind rabbit holes. This notion “hmmmm maybe trump this democrats that” verges on false equivalence and ignores how complex s--- plays in real time. IMO

 

Oct 31, 2020

Yeah this is wrong man lol

 

Oct 31, 2020

How can you think this? Beyond generic assertions about republicans “helping” Texans more. 18k Texans dead from covid. Trumps handling of the pandemic has decimated Houston’s economy by like 50% - again love u man but this crypto pseudo intellectual defense of the president is bs

 

Oct 31, 2020

I get what ur saying, whataboutism is a cancer on al political discourse not just American, but that’s not what I’m doing here. I understand the need to clarify and emphasize that point, but what I am saying is some people here are not at liberty to consider anything other than immediate short term consequences, and those will play out better under trumps plans here (imo)

one of the boys from c-m Town had a pretty good bit on this, talking about how the Obama admin behaved like an episode of west wing, waiting for republicans to have their big “this is what we want” meeting point.

looking back at the narrative being pushed by the GOP at the time it seems blatantly obvious all they wanted to do was stonewall Obama, and brushing off the impact that the PRESIDENTs negligence did while making comments about how these exploited under educated middle Americans should just “know better” seems a bit doublethink-y to me

 

Oct 31, 2020

Ik but what I’m saying is....you are doing that lol

I mean those people are wrong to think that. Energy policy, to handling covid, Biden will absolutely improve quality of life - whether it’s yours mine or generic houston family.

 

Oct 31, 2020

You believe the American voter is a lot more rational than they really are. Americans, every election cycle, vote against their best interests, largely because partisanship is an extremely strong group identity. You may be able to draw these parallels of people voting for X because they’re putting their own interests over others but that’s not necessarily what’s going through their heads. If you ask them (which many political scientists have), they won’t provide the rational answers you’re providing here. Hence, pushing policies that will benefit the general public is difficult. The ACA didn’t receive majority support until Obama was out of office.

 

Oct 31, 2020

I need quantifiable proof cuz I know a lot of Hispanics who disagree with ya

I think ur confusing comparing and contrasting with whataboutism. I can’t rebuke your counterpoints without doing so. My initial and only point was that a trump vote helps the working Texan more in the immediate future, and given how the arguments presented for biden not being so bad on thst front didn’t rly compel me (based just on what I’ve seen, pure anecdote) the only other argument is the mora high ground the dems have in not being quite as complicit in the exploitation. It’s not whataboutism to say that distinction doesn’t cut it

 

Oct 31, 2020

Skip really has his finger on the pulse of Houston. That's why the Texas GOP is petitioning a judge to throw out 100,000+ votes from Harris County.



Also, Latinos and Hispanics in Florida have a +/-10% of origin from Mexico... so, when they ignore Trump's bigotry for Mexicans... they just probably think he just hates Mexicans, like they're own Cuban instilled nationalism... they don't realize Trump hates everyone that just looks like a Mexican to him.

 

Oct 31, 2020

I agree that voters will vote against their interests, I don’t agree that everyone’s views are as simplified and reductive as that. Wrong and misguided, maybe, but I think there’s always a sense of internal logic that you could use to educate them if properly discussing. Not everyone is open to that but I live in an area w a lot of extremely conservative ppl whom I’ve had the pleasure of seeing how they see the world and steering them more towards a middle ground of how I see things, and I imagine if everyone approached things as proactively and leas reductive things wouldn’t be as bad as they are

 

Oct 31, 2020

notice the snark and lack of any real attempt at human engagement. the shitlib in its natural habitat, stalking, waiting for its next meal or opportunity to start a statement with “well ackshully”

 

Oct 31, 2020

Why does the Texas GOP want to throw your vote into the trash and not count it, Skip?

 

Oct 31, 2020

res scrolling by the 3 anti trump posts I made to post the “gotcha” he saw on his newsfeed this morning

 

Oct 31, 2020

You didn't answer the question.

Why does the Texas GOP want to throw your ballot in the garbage?


Also, what do you think of this act of terrorism?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden...-event-after-pro-trump-ambush-on-campaign-bus

 

Oct 31, 2020

if y’all wanna know why trump won the last election it’s cuz three of the smartest people in the room are too busy trying for the Olympic gold medal in mental gymnastics to come up with a way that 1/2 the countries opinions are invalid instead of leveling w them. Y’all told me I was smart two pages ago now I’m pseudo intellectual! Many such cases!

 

Oct 31, 2020

I hope more violence befalls both candidates and we get the true leftist revolution I want instead of this pussyfoot lib s---

 

Oct 31, 2020

not sure why anyone would want to throw my vote away when I haven’t casted one. schroedinger’s ballot?

 

Oct 31, 2020

I shouldn’t have to give you a book report when you’re asserting some vague anecdotes masking them as fact. Let’s be reasonable. Fact is you can’t lump Latinos into one box politically so many diff cultural vantage points that get cut across. Personally, many lean conservative due to their religions and Ik their reliance on what’s up makes them suspect only to Misinformation. But here’s some “facts”

Latinos making up 34 percent of cases nationwide, a much higher proportion than the group’s 18 percent share of the population

• Florida coronavirus rates twice as high in black, Hispanic areas, internal state data shows”

“About 25 percent of Hispanics and 20 percent of blacks tested positive for the virus, compared to about 11 percent of whites

whites will get $218 billion in tax cuts this year as a result of the law. Black and Latino Americans will get about $32 billion combined which is like 7%
Most Hispanic Americans stand to face a tax increase under Trump’s tax law by 2027, with only 30% of Hispanic Americans earning more than $75,000.


Trump has undermined efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela, and refused to grant Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to Venezuelans in the United States

look at his response to Hurricane Maria

 

Oct 31, 2020

So questioning some of your assumptions and pointing out flaws in your (online) research is tantamount to why trump got elected? What? You aren’t the mouthpiece of the forgotten American bud you’re skippy, a sweet young man.

 

Oct 31, 2020

Less than 1/5 of the country voted for Trump.

3 million less people voted for Trump than Hillary.

The Electoral college favors the candidate that appeals to prejudices to rural Americans that hate Americans that live together and contribute more to society.

Trump is a low IQ racist loser born with $500,000,000 that he squandered being stupid and buying Beauty Pageants so he could meet woman and buying golf courses so he could play golf with rich elites who wouldn't be his friend because he is a cringey creepy conman.

Being a morally corrupt ignorant a------ isn't an invalid opinion... in fact their votes are worth more than a college professor's who lives in California.

 

Oct 31, 2020

Sure but that process of changing people’s minds is extremely difficult. And no offense to the efforts & progress you believe you’ve made with associates & friends, no matter what they may have conceded to you personally, it probably hasn’t change their choice at the voting booth. People want to believe ideology determines partisanship but it’s actually the other way around. Partisanship determines ideology. Americans largely don’t adhere to a specific political ideology. They look to their party for issue positions to take & care about.

That being said, Democrats being more transparent (whatever that looks like?) isn’t winning over Republican voters. It’s not how they win elections going toward.