Nov 1, 2020

 

Nov 1, 2020

res gotta set up a whole a--- twilight zone hypothetical to make a point, “picture, if you will, a reality in which s--- is happening completely differently in a way where my bitching is justified”

u have now entered... the shitlib zone

 

Nov 1, 2020

I am. I always do, even when people here are spouting absolute drivel, I respond to their words at face value. But at a certain point you can make the same argument so many times before the response becomes “stop thinking that lol, use your brain.” I don’t deny people can see an economic rationale for trump - but what res and I are getting at is that’s mostly bs. Forgive me but your evidence appears to be “xyz thinks this, generally” which isn’t the same of sharing irrefutable info about oil production or taxes, cold hardt facts. If you have a rejoinder great! Let’s hear it. But you sound dug in and certain and I don’t know you’ve fully established your argument on merits. (This is a forum so who cares, u don’t need to.... just articulating my frustration in general w the discourse here. I can be as thorough and reasonable as possible , usually the response is some taileating goofy Internet brain propaganda . Oh speaking of

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...6791-as-coronavirus-cases-spike-75-percent-of


https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...ent-of-voters-support-a-national-mask-mandate


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...den-2020-election-fauci-mandate-b1424002.html

The devils in the details ofc, the facts aren’t on your side. Ik this is a Gimmick/phase or the result of a bad trip or something but know one thing, with all the love in my heart: you are wrong and sound pretty stupid.

 

Nov 1, 2020

my footbal team labour won the election for our state and i'm a bit excited over it. just wanted to share!
no more genocide of our native species and i might have to pay a bit more tax for it but idc !

 

Nov 1, 2020

whats everyones electoral college map . place ur bets

 

Nov 1, 2020

ok let me recap

res cited growth in the Obama admin, which I said was prob due to previous admin policies, to which the only substantial remark was the second graph which didn’t really refute that, just a comment about it being under Obama’s admin and something about outsourcing to the Middle East (which is valid, and I said so)

the other main point were the articles u linked citing other energy fields, to which I’d say knowing those with years of experience in chemical and wind gives more of a grasp than an economic think piece, even from my boys at the chron

those points could all still hold weight, I had nothing to say about nuclear, but come down to Houston and see where the solar panels are. See how many people show up at the gate for wind farms at 5 am compared to Exxon Baytown. My points go beyond “x thinks y” seeing the actual conditions workers in those industries face and the reality of the gap some are trying to fill (such as solar which, again, no solar plants around here. No corporations hiring solar workers by the dozens and hundreds. Just handfuls of ppl in suburban communities w the expendable income to pay a roofing company to install something to cut their energy bill in half)

if those rebuttals don’t hold weight I need more than ree trump bad ree to see that

 

Nov 1, 2020

pictured is every solar outlet in Texas. All but one concentrated in Houston, about 12 total, every single one being a small 1-4 garage shop where a small crew goes around doing home contract work. Not a viable alternative to keeping houstonians employed and afloat imo

 

Nov 1, 2020

the first one google maps directed me to is literally a single suite in a warehouse complex




literally just some dudes house, prob like a 1 man/family operation

 

Nov 1, 2020

LOL so no degree of facts or logic will dissuade you bc you know some good ole boys who want houston to stay in the dark ages. cmon man i am NOT giving u ::autistic screeching trump:: im making a point about houston's role in the ongoing energy transition.

ive been to houston, as u know. but look:

"Houston, which has roughly 2.3 million residents, ranked seventh among the top 50 U.S. metro areas for clean energy employment in the fourth quarter of 2019, with 1.9% of all clean energy jobs in the U.S. In 2019, Houston had 56,155 clean energy jobs, up nearly 4% from 2018, according to E2. By comparison, there are roughly 250,000 fossil fuel jobs in the area."

not an insignificant ratio. thats where the growth is!!!
"
There are at least 100 solar energy-related companies and 30 wind energy-related companies — including developers, transporters, manufacturers, suppliers and others — located in Houston, according to the Greater Houston Partnership. They include big names such as BP Wind Energy North America Inc., Shell Global Solutions (US) Inc., GE Renewable Energy, Sunnova Energy International Inc. and First Solar Inc.

Backed with funding from Houston-based EnCap Investments LP, a venture capital firm that typically specializes in oil and gas investments, Broad Reach Power LLC is quickly becoming a big player in the booming battery storage market in Texas."

https://www.spglobal.com/marketinte...tal-braces-for-the-energy-transition-60456551

look at these salaries - this could be u!!!!!! get in on the ground floor lol
https://www.google.com/search?q=sol...Wfj3IEHcfxBV0Q_AUIDigA&biw=1368&bih=802&dpr=2

 

Nov 1, 2020

I think trying to gain an equal amount of insight from the people being written about as the people doing the writing is a meaningful pursuit, this seems reductive and, dare I say, bad faith :p

I like this! i still have my reservations about the transition period where they’d be phasing oil jobs out and these jobs in but that’s not an argument, just something I think is worth keeping in mind

I’m half joking but when I say ree Trump bad I mean you could’ve cut out two pages worth of banter if u had immediately replied w raw data instead

 

Nov 1, 2020

I resent the bad trip accusation I am simply still drunk from last night

 

Nov 1, 2020

my statement earlier about “the smartest ppl in the room playing mental gymnastics” still holds imo. I had to fight against you guys to get you to properly educate me on the data. Yeah u can say every person should just educate themselves but that feels like a mental version of the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” argument.

Had u engaged and said “fair, knowing ppl in the ground level do these places provides some insight, but here is [data presented] it woulda been a dun bun

like I said to @Enigma theres always an internal logic u can track and use to get someone to see reason. There have been times in this discussion where I don’t feel I was being engaged with appeals to logic

 

Nov 1, 2020

i like seeing u engaged, firstly. but secondly no, i should be allowed to bs and not do ur research for u lol.

i mean, ok. flip the reverse tho. instead of taking ppl face value who are not seeing the forest for the trees its important to note broader trends, context. its not a perfect system, as u note its real lives in flux.... but pretending like larger oil companies in ur backyard arent Already making this transition is simply wrong headed. or the notion that republicans/trump Alone have houstons best interests at heart is again, as established, is simply a fiction.

 

Nov 1, 2020

LOL this is so childish skip. you had to Fight us to make u smart? im giving u the playbook man cmon now.

? talk about mental gymnastics lol.

again, thats on u. be culpable man. if ur coming at this with some too cute false equivalence argument youve been rightfully schooled. i dont discount ur viewpoint, u raise good POV. i just resist the concept trump is Inherently better for texas than biden. as discussed.

 

Nov 1, 2020

Look dude, if you want to waste your time trying to convince your Trump loving friends who’ve voted Republican for the past decade if not longer to suddenly have a change of heart & question everything they’ve ever believed in, go on right ahead. I’m just telling you what a plethora of political psychology has dished out.

That’s why YOU think they’re voting for Trump. That is not necessarily why they are voting for Trump. Maybe it’s one of their reasons? But it won’t necessarily even be their main reason. You’re making a ton of assumptions here.

 

Nov 1, 2020

I've never seen someone blame others for themselves being ignorant. s80 politics is wild

 

Nov 1, 2020

no because what you’re providing here is entirely anecdotal. Also, how do you know for certain they abstained & aren’t lying? Even if they did abstain, how do you know your reasoning with them caused them to abstain & not a plethora of other factors? Again, you’re making a ton of assumptions.

 

Nov 1, 2020

sure, but this is more than just banter it’s an exchange of ideas which need substantial evidence to compel me. I feel like it’s pretty common knowledge that when ur approaching someone w contradictory views, you present the data to them, not assume theyll go off and research it on their own

absolutely! and w/o the presented evidence it was basically dozens of real friends who work in these fields vs a single article (in which I did drunkenly skim so there is every possibility I just skipped the bit about growth and the actual numbers, but idk I didn’t see it at the time) arguing to the contrary

I’m surprised I haven’t heard more about the big name companies doing solar work, then again I don’t pretend I’m as in tune as it prob comes off itt

maybe I’ve failed to represent my argument properly but the notion that trump or the reps even vaguely have our interests at heart is not my point. I simply think that, over the next 4 years, the backbone of Houston’s economy would take less of a hit. As such, where I live, I find it understandable if ppl w zero faith in either are just trying to make sure they can keep their heads above water a few more years

that being said I have mostly been wrong and have admitted as such, I don’t like trump lol I’m not caping for the guy that’s why I’m saying it feels obtuse when ur being like “how could u think that skip?!” just get to the part where u objectively prove me wrong!

I considered deleting cuz I didn’t like my wording here but know it would show up as deleted and you’d see it either way lol

there was a TOUCH of discounting my POV at the minimum, which is why I’m making a stink

 

Nov 1, 2020

libs not understanding that knowledge is power that is withheld esp in the misinformation age is such a bad look

if you have time to condescend someone on not knowing something u have time to educate them on the subject. In a discussion like this it’s expected that u bring ur data to the table. Expecting that everyone is on the same playing field as u and has been exposed to all the same resources is brainlet material

 

Nov 1, 2020

go get some fresh air bro I’m 23 all my friends barely registered this or last election and I know what they vote cuz I go outside and interact w them socially wtf kinda social isolationist bs are u on lmao