21 Savage arrested by ICE

Started by mow, Feb 3, 2019, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. dna hits
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  2. Slyk
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    Slyk God made a prophet.

    Feb 6, 2019
    If I’m pulled aside for smoking pot in a non-legalized state, then I’m f----- and I know I’m f----- because I f----- up.

    Lol that’s exactly what I’m saying— if using this correlation, then pot smoking laws are stupid af, but if I get in trouble for it, then that s--- is on me. I’m gonna be furious about it, but I still f----- up.
     
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  3. Slyk
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    To be clear: I haven’t said that ICE isn’t a broken system and that there isn’t racial profiling. All I’m saying is that there’s a law. 21 knew about it. 21 broke it. And y’all are acting like the law didn’t even exist to begin with and that it doesn’t matter if he f----- up.
     
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    I don’t think anyone is denying that the law exists. We’re simply calling these laws into question. If every situation boils down to “well it was the law” then how do we elicit change in a broken system? Failure to take accountability to question oppressive/racist/etc laws is how you end up like nazi Germany or the USSR or any other oppressive regime.
     
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  5. dna hits
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    So the ICE shouldn’t do their job and just ignore every illegal immigrant? They have a job to do or they lose funding. 21 thought he was above the law and realizing now that he isn’t. Now him and his lawyer are saying his g--- related music is just for show lolololol If you have g--- affiliations, and you’re an illegal immigrant, you’re d--- right they’re eventually going to deport you making the streets safer. There’s illegal white people they have deported too that you can google yourself. Similar to what slyk said, you guys acting like he should get a pass just because he’s a rapper and black that it’s racist to deport him. That’s insane, illogical thinking. And it’s f----- up. The ICE is just doing their job. Then of course wpg somehow compares this to nazis and you comparing it to weed. That’s when you know you lost the argument reaching that far.
     
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

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    Yes and no. You choose to view it that way if you want. Are you knowingly taking a risk smoking weed where it’s illegal? Yes, of course. But does that mean we shouldn’t call into question it’s illegality? Why can we not put part of the blame onto people who made and continue to force oppressive drug laws on us? Who are they to decide you should get into trouble for smoking a harmless plant? Nothing will get changed if we continue to view things in a micro level instead of the macro.
     
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    You’re not hearing me, ICE should not even exist. It should be totally dismantled. It’s a corrupt entity that prays on the vulnerable. They’ve continuously shown to lie not just to the public but in court in attempt to justify their atrocious practice. According to 21’s lawyer, he applied for a visa in 2017 & the process is still pending. ICE most definitely knew this & moved to deport him anyway. These are exactly the type of actions I’m talking about. This is why undocumented immigrants stay undocumented. Even when they try to get through this piece of s--- of an immigration process we have, it simply puts a target on their backs. So what do they do? They stay in the shadows.


    This is precisely my point, it doesn’t matter if the state you’re in is legalized or not. It’s federally, against the law. State police in California could technically arrest you & hand you over to the Feds for breaking federal law. They choose not to do that in defiance of federal law though. There’s always a choice. Bureaucrats could render ICE obsolete if they really wanted too. Or at the least, they could focus on undocumented immigrants who commit violent crimes instead of going after working class people who got a parking ticket 10 years ago or a successful black artist. I’m not going to blame 21 for the lack of common sense & action that our leaders/representatives have displayed over immigration for decades now.
     
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    how so?
     
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    Yeah pretty much this exactly is what I was trying to say. You nailed it.
     
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    there is no justification for ice existing beyond "f--- these people, they should live in fear, let's round them up and if they die they die"
     
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    I just don't understand why they waiting so long. If ICE was really doing their job they would've deported hm after pulling a gun out at school or when he got arrested for his drug charges. It seems to me like someone is trying to make a point.
     
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    Dread or Alive Kamikaze should've been released 3 years ago

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    That's irrelevant. People in the country illegally should be deported. Even if the execution of that law is selectively done due to racial bias, and this is presuming that what you claim is true, then it doesn't mean that actually deporting said people of color is wrong. The wrong there would be in not deporting non-colored people(white?).

    In that case you should be advocating for more white(?) people to be deported.
    You know, the millions of illegal white people in america.
     
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    Dude nobody cares if the people involved are racist. It doesn't refute that his deportation is justified by law.
    Do you suppose that they shouldn't have deported someone in the country illegally? and on what basis? because he's black?
    And if he is black, then is his deportation by default racist.

    I thought you were an "intellectual". Think about what you are saying here.
     
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    Dread or Alive Kamikaze should've been released 3 years ago

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    "Where are the white..."
    Stop you there m8, here's an irishman:
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    literally the first thing i pulled off google.
    But seriously.... you have an english degree right? so you should know that something not being reported doesn't imply that it doesn't happen.
    you should also know that a black man being deported doesnt necessarily imply racism.

    either you forgot how logic works or you don't really care
     
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    Nope. They should be granted simpler paths to legal status. If they’re violent criminals then yes, deportation is the correct course but hunting down [primarily] brown people who work their a--- off to provide for their families & deporting them over minor infractions from years ago is cruel & racist. This is what happens to people who get picked up by ICE:

     
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    Dread or Alive Kamikaze should've been released 3 years ago

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    No, you would want this to happen, but the US government has no obligation to do anything other than enforce it's own laws. people who break the rules shouldn't be rewarded. Rules and laws exist for a reason.

    No it's not. If by the numbers, more brown people are in america illegally then more brown people will be hunted down and deported. It's how the numbers work. IF mexico was mostly white then you idiots wouldn't be bringing up race.
    That being said, what exactly do you think is a minor infraction, because being in a country illegally isn't minor, it's actually a matter of border integrity and knowing who your citizens are..


    Yeah people die from illnesses everyday. It's ironically part of the reason border control exists. Are you implying that this kid was killed intentionally or otherwise by ICE?
     
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    Countries have no obligation to do anything other than enforce their own laws? That sounds like an extreme form of nationalism that no country should follow. Laws can be & should be critiqued. U.S. immigration laws are broken & poor. I don’t support tearing families apart just to maintain principle. That’s just stupid. Governance & empathy/understanding should always go hand-in-hand.

    Since 2010, more Asian immigrants (legal + illegal) have arrived in the U.S. than Hispanic immigrants. You don’t hear anything about Asian immigrants in U.S. political discourse, do you? You don’t hear conservatives talking about all this crime Asian immigrants are bringing to the country. It’s always southern border, Mexico, Central America, build a wall, cartels, gangs, drugs etc. It’s rooted in racism. The U.S. has a history of pointing to an immigrant boogeyman & saying it’s all their fault. The Irish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese etc. It’s all history repeating itself.

    Border control exists to stop people from dying to common colds? I’m suggesting the conditions in which these people are forced to stay in are s---. They’re dirty, overcrowded, don’t get proper medical care, rampant sexual assault that goes univestigated etc. They don’t give a s--- about these people & it shows.

     
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    @dna hits @JMG are furious.
     
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    Furious? More like scared for my life. Now I’m going to have to increase my anxiety medication later this month. This is exactly why the states are going to s---. Let’s lock up a weed dealer, but free an illegal immigrant who raps about shooting and robbing people while giving kids bookbags that they could sneak a gun in with. Such a positive asset to this community!!!! Even though 21 is a fake gangster persona, he’s still a terrible influence on the youth.
     
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    Yeah this is a sad day for America. Like DNA I am terrified. I will be buying some extra ammunition for my 38.. Which is legal btw unlike the street guns 21 is pushing for the young black youth to buy from other g--- bangers. This is just a bond though. I have faith a judge will see this illegal thug for what it is and serve justice.
     
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