Feb 13, 2019

there are reams of research and policy proposals on how prison and police abolition would work in an ordered society and the fact that you're ignorant on those things isn't my problem

falling vending machines pose a threat to some americans

we're talking about american immigration policy and violence in america, this is irrelevant

my position is we shouldn't have concentration camps

 

Feb 13, 2019

Wait wtf are you talking about? I was being completely honest and non biased in the 21 savage threads. Don’t try and make an excuse liking other posts vs mine. That only makes you look worse and favors what wpg says about you tbh.

 

Feb 13, 2019

But 21 savage has broken multiple laws as an illegal immigrant. As I’ve said before, 21 needs deported because it’s disrespectful to the illegal immigrants who were here working not breaking the law that still got deported. I’m sure the trump administration won’t just let this slide, thankfully.

 

Feb 13, 2019

Bar-fighting badass or law abiding citizen
What is your true purpose in life Trent

 

Feb 13, 2019

I’m a law abiding citizen now. Bar fighting isn’t really illegal in my area. And that was when i was younger. My purpose is to guide other people in the right direction in life and help unblind the government sheep on this forum. Educate others with politics and what’s constitutional and what’s unconstitutional. Something a few mods have trouble with.

 

Feb 13, 2019

Not just tolerant, welcoming! A majority of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. have been here for a while now. I know the mass hysteria that illegals are jumping over our borders by the thousands but that’s not true..at all. Most of them have been here for a handful of years if not longer. That’s not to mention economic benefits of undocumented labor.

Jesus... you’re blabbering on about something that could be summed up in one sentence: immigrants don’t have high rates of crime. That goes for all immigrants: legal, undocumented, Asian, European, Latino etc. it doesn’t matter. Statistically, they have lower crime rates than natural born citizens. This idea that we need to be tough on brown immigrants at the southern border because they’re MS-13, they’re r--ist bla bla bla is racist hysteria which is precisely what I’m talking about lol. I also love your focus on MS-13, an American g---, founded in Los Angeles & that’s why we should deport all the undocumented immigrants because they could be members of a that g--- was founded here & has been here for decades lmao. Yeah, okay.

P.S. there actually is a pretty big yakuza & triad presence where I live in the Bay Area. We have a very large Asian American/Asian immigrant population here. Again though, you don’t see anyone targeting Asian immigrants over their presence. Mainly because we’re very liberal & tend to not cast out/generalize foreigners but also because the focus right now is on the brown Hispanic immigrant. He’s the boogie man.

Both. There have been allegations of abuse against ICE staff & among the detainees themselves. The allegations in general aren’t being investigated & that’s the issue. Being in government detention doesn’t justify human rights violations you fucken weirdo :S if the government is detaining you, holding you against your will, your care is that government’s responsibility. You don’t just throw people in cages & say f--- them, who cares if they get sick & die. These are kids & women we’re talking about here.

Also @Michael Myers you’re a b---- for liking this post. This post is filled with racist/xenophobic garbage & I continuously see you liking posts like this. It’s total trash & I wanna say you should know better but you clearly don’t. You like these posts & then go run away & claim to “stay out of political debates.” You’re a p----. Defend this s--- if that’s what you stand for.

 

Feb 13, 2019

In America you're more likely to see four white guys ganging up on someone half their age than you are to encounter a *dims lights, spider drops from ceiling, wolf howls in background* g--- MEMBER

 

Feb 14, 2019

if u guys seem to have this much problem with 'illegal immigrants' why dont u just make being 'legal' easier
I mean if u say that every illegal immigrant is a violent criminal (lmao) isnt it better to have any data on him in your records/books/whatever u use
its bs trying to get to america even for a f---ing holidays for middle class white man

 

Feb 14, 2019

you liked a post that was written like a manic stormfront comment

 

Feb 14, 2019

Honestly Enigma does have a point Michael. You realize if some of us political posters who usually post in political discussions talked zero politics that this forum would already be completely dead? I think you underestimate what political discussion can bring to the table with debates and people getting heated. You think Kamikaze is a good album, yet you hate on politics? That’s a horrible taste in opinion overall, m8.

 

Feb 14, 2019

In theory maybe? show me a practical example of a functional state without police or prison. Because i don't know what f---ing fantasy world you think you live in. Maybe it's easy for someone well off with an easy life in america to dream about a fantastical communal world without police and prison, but where i come (jamaica) from there are indeed some areas so dangerous even police don't go there , and they chop people's f---ing heads off and play football (soccer) with it for stepping on the wrong guy's shoes. They go to every f---ing household with a high-school age teenager and demand they allow their daughters to be r---d as "payment for protection".

Like no, you idiot, it's not possible. Humans are not naturally ordered and civilized. We are only like this because of the enforced constraints of society, of which law and order are key, and currently a police system trained specifically for local affairs and detention(as opposed to say killing people) are currently the best and most humane ways to do this. f---ing h--- mate, like people consider you an intellectual but d---, you say some stupid s--- sometimes.

No it's not, some people claim racism cause they see brown people arrested and deported, im saying that that's inevitably going to be the JUST result of strict anti-immigration laws because most of the illegal immigrants (from border crossing at least) will be from central america. Borders are indeed very important to the integrity and stability of your country. you want them to not exist.

K i'm just done. If you think the US government is comparable to nazi's that's only because you've never f---ing experienced what the nazi's were like. It's indicative of your entire world view. Because life's been so easy for you you think implementing your bs ideas are remotely possible. Let's forgive people whoo illegally cross the border, even though that means they can bring literally anything (drugs or guns) and literally anyone (ms13 is small though, it's not like they've killed that much people) can come into your country? and lets also abolish the police and prison, because anarchy is just fine and people won't commit more crimes when you lessen the punishment and remove the most effective form of law enforcement.

Like seriously, i'm done now.

 

Feb 14, 2019

Economic benefits of undocumented labour??
DUDE WTF?? Do you even realize how awful that is to have, you are shortening the job market for legit citizens, lowering wages and those illegal immigrant workers literally have no rights. Like it's a lose lose for everbody except the big corporations.

 

Feb 14, 2019

Bro i said illegal. I don't have anything against immigrants. But it should be done legally, a country as large as america cannot tolerate people to just mass illegally immigrate into your country. like why am i being strawmanned like this? If someone is illegally in your country then they have by definition already broken a law, thus the crime rate among illegal immigrants is by default 100%. That's all i'm saying, mass deport all illegals, and there are going to be more from central america because it's easier for them to get there.

as for the triads and yazuka, give them the same treatment too!!

 

Feb 14, 2019

send them to jail too for whatever crime they commit. The race of the person is irrelevant.

That's fine, but illegals still have to be removed if they overstay too long, or illegally got there in the first place.
But even then, that's no excuse to illegally immigrate, if some white dude r---d a woman because he said they were too hard to get to have sex with, you would rightfully call that person entitled and punish them with the fullest extent of the law. Same applies to immigration law.

 

Feb 14, 2019

holy s---, this guy's having a brain hemorrhage in here.

you would think someone so fixated on an issue would have more than a child's understanding of it.

 

Feb 14, 2019

Again... here we go full circle with this “tough on crime” mantra. The U.S. immigration issue is complex & simply mass deporting every undocumented immigrant won’t fix the problem & would likely lead to some pretty disgusting human rights violations (refer to my previous posts about ICE detention facilities). You fix the immigration system, make it affordable & managable, people wouldn’t feel the need to live here illegally. Undocumented immigrants want to be legal immigrants. They’re not undocumented because they like to be. It’s because, as I said, the immigration system is s---.

Yeah.... there is an economic benefit to undocumented labor. That doesn’t mean they aren’t being exploited (they obviously are) but the fact that it’s beneficial to the U.S. economy is a fact. Hence why I said we shouldn’t deport them, we should create a simpler & accessible path to citizenship/legalization. This way they can have rights & get paid accordingly.

 

Feb 14, 2019

You’re completely right. @WPG is from Canada and had everything handed to him. He’s a delusional liberal. What’s sad is go try entering Canada with a past weed possession charge or as an illegal immigrant. Go try and get a citizenship in Europe and see how difficult it is. All stabilized first world countries have strict border laws. I don’t get the irony coming from wpg knowing how strict Canada is with people trying to move there. Ik an older guy who got a minor 2 grams weed possession charge in the early 80s. And Canada wouldn’t allow him just to visit for vacation a few years ago over it. But it’s okay for 21 savage with an illegal gun possession charge and drug charges as an illegal immigrant to get a free pass because he’s a rapper. And believe me, if 21 was rapping in New York or Jersey, wpg would be all for him being deported. He’s well known online for having a grudge against east side rappers. And obviously the majority of illegal immigrants are going to be a black race. That doesn’t make anything ICE does racist. We should just let all the ms13 members, and cartel members flee here and pay for them to live in the states through our tax money? f--- that. The trump admin will make sure 21 gets deported. I’d throw money on it.

 

Feb 14, 2019

Your point assumes that these people are entitled to live in the US, and they simply aren't. It's not their country. So what they want or feel the need to do is literally completely unimportant. You act as if immigration to the US is a right every human being has, and it simply isn't, nor should it be. They may be given the privilege at the discretion of the USA, but that's about it.

being beneficial to the economy doesn't mean beneficial to the average american. I'm just confused you'd use that as a positive factor of illegal immigration when it's anything but. But like i'm not against your solution really, i'm just against this concept that the US enforcing it's own laws is somehow racism when they have every right to do so.