Jun 2, 2020

if ppl wanted to pay id do a livestream w @WPG and split the $ with him.

actually make it 60/40 him. sweeten the pot heh.

 

Jun 2, 2020

I dunno. I feel like a debate between u and him would get boring. Ur smart but u lack in the snappy comeback department

my snappy comeback at narsh that a cop is f---ing him up the a--- with runaway playing in the background still resonate years later

 

Jun 2, 2020

@Swizz will ghostwrite for me.

 

Jun 2, 2020

I would just let him ramble for a bit then respond with you tried to be a msg board rapper for years

 

Jun 2, 2020

this is a WPG stan account

 

Jun 2, 2020

someone please torch Ben Shapiro’s house for the love of god.

 

Jun 2, 2020

Full transcript from WPG arrest
Cop: Son, do you know why I'm stopping you for?
WPG: Cause I'm young and I'm white and my masks real low? Do I look like a mind reader, sir? I don't know. Am I under arrest or should I guess some more?
Cop: Well you was wearing a champion shirt doing negative reviews on a site pitch fork. License and credentials and step away from the burning car. Are you carrying kombucha on you, I know a lot of you are

 

Jun 2, 2020

Do jews value kombucha?

 

Jun 2, 2020

These past few days, I’ve seen police get fired/charged expeditiously. *TI voice* Say what you want about the tactics but the message has been received & clear.

 

Jun 2, 2020

i do.

eh in effect tho. and again, as ive said, the choice doesnt have to be alternative (drafted by me. on an eminem forum, reiterating points ive made for a week...) or de facto endorsement of burning playgrounds lol. ive already mentioned alts either way as has slyk, via the obama medium post or otherwise. i just think claiming this is the only viable path forward is disengenous . im not even against protesting ffs.

im confused. millions are not dying from police brutality. parse out racial inequality or what have you but its not like this moment is about genocide? or am i misreading u...

heres a better question for u - what percentage of this is performative? not talking about BLM activists, but the self appointed white folks crying crocodile tears on fb? if u guys are indeed being introspective about the movements shortcomings, i havent seen it.

 

Jun 2, 2020

andy you have to understand though: whether by you or by local news anchors, the goalposts for approved/acceptable protests will always keep being moved no matter what protesters do. i'm too tired to get back into it but the reason i kept pestering you to explain how they "should" act is because there is no course of action they could take that would guarantee (or even strongly predict) a lack of escalation by the cops and a huge backlash in a lot of media. musing about a rebellion's "shortcomings" is a choice you're free to make but your suggestion that a movement could inoculate itself against that is simply not true.

when protesters in minneapolis did nothing other than occupy a freeway a few years ago, a big trend in local news was the question of whether they could/should be collectively charged with homicide when their presence inevitably prevented someone from getting to the hospital––this despite there being video of them swiftly and without incident letting an ambulance pass through.

 

Jun 2, 2020

 

Jun 2, 2020

would make that trade again in a heartbeat

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Jun 2, 2020

lol

but no, dude, i f---ing HEAR YOU. but that still doesnt mean u couldnt occassionally recognize the movement isnt always 100% pure. i know bernie bros refuse to acknowledge that level of nuance, but implicitly condoning a playground being burned, even if its the overall exception, is damaging to overall goals. in the least itll be co-opted. and even if not its just a terrible symbol of thoughtless destruction.

ok but media bias isnt what im referring to, and u shouldnt be conflating my points with larger, valid critiques of the media. rn bidens thoughtful speech calling for conciliation is being sensationalized as just a political swipe at trump. its def unfortunate, but it doesnt totally negate more micro points against, like, vandalizing churches.

i just love you guys keep insisting on regurgatiating the same platitudes and when i ask about lines or culpability , its the same copouts camouflaged as idealism. u may have a police record now but surely u arent above reproach!

 

Jun 2, 2020

buddy, u said millions were facing life or death. why cant i hold your own rhetoric accountable lol. doesnt mean i dont see this as 'urgent' just questioning why it needs to spiral out when the actual atrocities are damning enough.

 

Jun 2, 2020

who's interested in that as a standard, though? i don't know that your repeated claims that i'm lacking "nuance" really square with using "the movement isn't always 100% pure" as a criticism.

maybe because, as you keep saying, this is an eminem message board, it's unfair to extrapolate the focus your posts on here to the totality of your views on things. but there are millions of americans, including virtually everyone in positions of power within government and law enforcement and tv news, who care/talk about things like a playground burning or a footlocker being robbed incessantly, to the exclusion of nearly everything else. you will get cursory "what happened was tragic" prefaces, but nothing beyond.

is this reasonable? the police have killed an unarmed black man at the protest over them killing another unarmed black man. people are losing eyes and in comas. the breona taylor killing is the kind of thing that most americans think only happens in spy movies. how are these things not the focus––and how do they not create enough urgency to push beyond whatever quibbles you have about tactics? the kinds of people who say "x distracts from y" are often the only ones talking about x.

there are a number of reasons that activists/organizers do not go on tv and apologize/hand wring about things like the playground. think about it:

1. no one is ordering these actions, protest is always decentralized to a degree when it reaches a certain size

2. you know this from, like, the al franken thing: fixating on something and bending over backward to atone only increases scrutiny, does not eliminate it, because the people who are obsessing over it are often not doing so in good faith to begin with

3. again, because the millions of people who hate these protests know, these things generate a TON of news coverage. it is always reasonable to suspect undesirable property damage could be intentional sabotage. am i allowed to see the "nuance" in the boston police dropping piles of loose bricks near windows and sending undercover cops in to agitate crowds?

i'm not saying that you have to agree with anything i'm saying, but i do wish you would at least accept that there are extremely smart and decent people on the other side who have thought through all these things to the same degree that you have. there's no need to cast everybody as, like, mouth-breathing zealots, as i often feel you have in this thread, and i think you can understand that on some level it's just a huge bummer to have people keep harping on this stuff while folks are getting murdered. idk, i'm actually done after this post