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Started by Kon, May 28, 2020, in Life Add to Reading List

  1. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jun 14, 2020
    uhh... why? lol. bernie could’ve stayed in another month and it wouldn’t have done anything at all to the general. the whole idea once you’re not going to win is to gain leverage on the party platform. weird idea!
     
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  2. Antman
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    Jun 14, 2020
    Now that’s what I call character
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jun 14, 2020
    you’d concede, of course, that he would still be alive today if the people responding to the call weren’t armed
     
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    Jun 14, 2020
    You can have it both ways. The cop acted on fear which and this proves more police training is very crucial. However, this is in no way a "racist cop killed unarmed black man" situation. The cop was rightfully scared and felt his life was in danger. Its been said many times, we don't know if his gun was next. But no he did not deserve to die and its a real shame this happens. Not race-related though.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jun 14, 2020
    we can disagree on whether race played a role—seems obvious it did—but let’s say it didn’t: that’s still an argument that armed men should not have responded to this call. if they hadn’t, he would still be alive.
     
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    No he would still be alive if he didn't try to fight a cop with his own weapon. Non-lethal or not, it should not of happened. Why wouldn't the cops respond to this call? A drunk man behind the wheel of a car is pretty serious if you ask me. As far as armed men, well he clearly didn't wanna use his gun. He didn't have his taser though.. This man could of avoided his death in many ways. However, everything was standard and fair up until he got aggressive. Which is why you can't make it about race.

    But clearly the cop was poorly trained, and scared.
     
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    Jun 14, 2020
    This is a fundamental misunderstanding for a lot of people. Systemic racism doesn’t require individuals to hold like white supremacist beliefs. No one believes every single cop is a racist on a personal level. It’s the system, or in other words, their training, protocols, & laws they enforce that are racist because they disproportionately impact people of color. A person can join the police force with purely good intentions but are still contributing to systemic racism because that’s how the system is set up.

    In regards to the man shot here, I don’t know anything about the personal beliefs of the officer who shot him. However, his training led to him shooting an African-American man in the back while running away. That’s not a “mistake,” we see this happen far too often. That is how the system is set up to work.

    CC: @Michael Myers because he could learn a thing or two.
     
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  8. JMG
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    "Systemic racism" is not a misunderstanding, its just an opinion. This is not a conspiracy. Law and order is set up to combat crime and while it does impact blacks the most, it ultimately is just following the crime. Do we stop the war on drugs because too many blacks are on the wrong side of it? I personally think heroin dealers should just be shot. I have lost many people due to overdoses, some I tried to save and failed. Lots of white people are dying because a black person sold them poison. Hmm maybe the d--- dealing system is set up by blacks to be racist and k--- whites.. maybe black people are trained to do this? No and cops are not trained to be biased towards blacks. It all comes down to the individual's actions, not the concepts behind it.

    As a white man, I have experience reverse racism. I have had a gun to my head by a cop over something petty. I decided to not move. I do understand why black people may have a tougher time with this. I don't know who to blame for that besides the media and maybe education. If you wanna talk about systems being set up to oppress blacks then that's where you need to look. Black people are literally being taught to be oppressed in America, and many are very offended at so many whites giving them that label. Just like a white person in this thread told me black on black crime isn't real. But you got millions of blacks crying for an end of it. Whos the real racists then when you got whites trying to tell blacks how they should feel. Who to vote for, etc.

    This movement is a political one and that is becoming more and more clear. Its caused more division in the black community and black vs white. People saying just because someone is white they need to have a certain belief. Then you got whites speaking up but its not good enough. You got people like Drew Brees who has done so much for New Orleans getting sh---ed for being pro American Flag. If I have to protest for something cause im white its gonna be something like Vets getting treated better. If your set up system theory is real then just look at the injustice here and look at the veteran demographic. We have a s-----y system, can't deny that. However, everyone is a victim, even cops. Its not ever about race, its about votes and after this election, BLM will go away for another 4 years.
     
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  9. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    Not true! It’s been academically researched extensively! Always do the readings kids!

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    I mean...yes lol. Black people didn’t just so happen to be on the wrong side of it. The War on Drugs was established to oppress black people & communities of color. An aid of Richard Nixon, who started the War on Drugs, admitted it was in effort to “target blacks & hippies.”

    What you described isn’t “reversed racism” lol.


    It’s not real. Anyone who uses the term “black on black crime” is telling on themselves. They’re characterizing crime as being correlated with race when it’s really correlated with poverty
    & education.
     
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    The sad thing is I saw memorial day caused corona infections to rise, so if it rises after these protests Trump is gonna say 'SEE! d--- protesters don't care about people's health'

    And it will help him in the next elections. I hope for your guys sake it won't but I can see it happen.
     
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  11. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    The president doesn’t even wear a mask in public & he’s organizing political rallies in the upcoming weeks. 54% of Americans disapprove of his response to the crisis. He has an uphill battle if he wants to play that card.
     
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    This is the media for you. Notice the first tweet says nothing about covid
     
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    Thousands of people outside, many wearing masks is safer than thousands of people inside without masks.
     
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    Yea the one on the left is a protest put together by a bunch of citizens that deemed the injustice to blacks in our country is more important to bring awareness to over the risk of corona. The one on the right is an irresponsible decision made by the most powerful man in the universe to put together an unneeded rally for an election in the midst of a pandemic.
     
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  15. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jun 15, 2020
    well, no, it's provable through a ton of metrics
    it very literally is––refer to the white house tapes enigma mentioned
    untrue
    "law and order" initiatives usually create more "crime"
    we stop it because it's designed to imprison people, often black and non-white
    is this your same outlook on the pharmaceutical industry?
    the way police are trained creates more violence during civilian interaction than it prevents; of course racial biases exacerbate this
    first of all, no you haven't. second, we've seen time and again that the police will murder even the black people who are following procedure and doing everything properly. so why would they assume good faith on the part of the cops?
    "black on black crime" is exactly as real as "white on white crime"
    the both-sidesism in america is so exhausting and so stupid; of course there are right and wrong sides to some issues
    blm is a constant presence in most major cities
     
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    teenagers held at gun point for walking through a store....
     
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    Jun 17, 2020
    So not only did @Grimace fake his protest. But also some jay z records ?

    thats a serial faker
     
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    RetiredAccount Big Time Stuntin Like My Daddy

    Jun 17, 2020
    Wtf are you talking about, I didn’t fake anything man but your delusional obsession with me is pretty creepy
     
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    f--- shut up about masks you american idiot c----. NOBODY in Aus is wearing them cause they do absolutely f--- all for COVID. it doesn't even effectively "contain" the virus if you have it. it's just dumb chink made s--- that they are mass producing and selling all over the world ffs.

    I done 2 Covid-19 back to work courses and have an infectious dissease control certificate. THE. MASKS. DO. NOTHING. SHUT. UP.
     
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    False safety
     
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