Aug 27, 2015 I primarily am a Mac fan for his production. Ever since WMWTSO he has been getting better and better both from a production and lyrical standpoint. I wasnt a fan of his snoozy delivery for a while, now I kind of like it. Funeral >>
Aug 27, 2015 That's understandable, I like his drugged out flow, it fits him. Funeral is great m8. "My side b---- is sorta pretty, but she got enormous ti--ies, know I'm worth a fortune, she just want a brand new Porsche or Bentley, had a few abortions, unfortunately I forced them, lord knows I turn a child to an orphan when I'm touring"
Aug 28, 2015 Doubt away homie. Mac is just painfully average and to me the path of his style is really odd. Truth be told I find his older stuff more enjoyable.. At least most of those songs were happy/upbeat. Now I feel like his delivery is so similar on every song and his content is subpar. Decent flow he just doesn't have a voice I like I guess
Aug 28, 2015 Mac n----s only 23 and his consistency is crazy, ofc all time eminem but Mac is young so that's a stupid arguement, now Mac no question
Aug 28, 2015 His delivery is always similar? Blue Side Park Mac Miller is so different from Delusional Thomas Mac Miller. Now I'm really doubting. Also, critiquing music based on subject matter <<<<<< What is good subject matter? How do you even objectively go about approaching that? It's the execution of the music that matters & Mac has been executing his music very well for a while now.
Aug 28, 2015 Are you serious? How is subject matter not important in rap? Who are the greatest rappers ever and why are they so great? And Mac millers delivery switch up around blue side park and has been garbage ever since. He sounds like his best friend just died 95 percent of the time. He rarely sounds even remotely excited
Aug 28, 2015 So which one is it? His delivery is constantly the same or it changes? Never said it wasn't important, it's what attaches fans to artists but when you start trying to quantify "good subject matter" from "bad subject matter" that's when subjectivity plays a bigger role because how do you go about doing that? You can explain why a particular verse, song or even album may not work or be good whether that be because of the sloppy song writing or the artist is uncharismatic whatever but you can't critique subject matter. The artist is going to talk about what they want to talk about, it's their music, how they execute that music is what we critique.
Aug 28, 2015 Not really, you can make a song about selling cheese at Kroger with fantastic execution and no one is coppin that. Common sense will tell you what good, relatable subject matter is. There's a reason Mac miller isn't a super popular artist... Also, I said since he switched his style up (around bsp) his delivery has been similar on a ton of his songs. I don't have anything against Mac he's a likable dude in my eyes, I just think he's pretty average. To say he's anywhere near eminem is sort of crazy.. To me at least. I know this isn't the best way but let's say we put the two on a track today, who shines 9/10 times at least? Eminem
Aug 28, 2015 By coppin I'm assuming you mean sales? Sales don't determine music quality, really shouldn't have to explain this to a Hip-Hop fan in 2015. A hip hop song about food which has been highly praised in general. Like I said, execution is what matters. Dude has nearly 5 million followers on twitter, his last album debuted top 5 in U.S., Canada & a lot of European countries. Is he Drake/Kendrick Lamar popular? No but he's popular. Don't see what this has to do with anything though. Atmosphere isn't extremely popular. Ghostface isn't extremely popular. What's your point? These songs are from the same album. I've heard some complaints about Mac but never have I heard that he's remained constant in the way he raps or makes music. Yikes...... Have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years? Eminem hasn't "shined on verses 9/10 times" since the early 2000's.
Aug 28, 2015 You're the king of missing the point haha. Eminem hasn't been on a track with Mac miller, how has he not shined on a track with him 9/10 times since the early 2000s? You even reading the posts homie? You're stanning an average artist face it. He has no spectacular quality about him whatsoever and he's slowly transitioned to a subpar backpack rapper. And by copping I meant liking it enough to buy it. Is that food song as popular as well executed songs with good content? I shouldn't have to explain that to any hip hop fan in any era. Sales do play a role in rap it's dumb to say they don't, people buy what they like. If more people like it, it's publicly considered better. I see your point there are some good rappers who aren't drake status but Mac miller isn't one of them
Aug 28, 2015 I'm well aware Eminem hasn't been on a track with Mac Miller but the hypothetical scenario you brought up is that if they were on a track together, 9 out of 10 times Em would outshine him. That's a ridiculous statement to be making in 2015, Em's track list of features for the past several years hasn't been very good at all so I don't understand how you could make a claim like that. "You're stanning an average artist face it. He has no spectacular quality about him whatsoever and he's slowly transitioned to a subpar backpack rapper." Mac Miller isn't even among my top 5 favorite artists currently. Its just that him being better than Eminem in 2015 is really a no brainer. Nice baseless criticism. Is calling him a back pack rapper supposed to be some sort of critique? Lol. "Is that food song as popular as well executed songs with good content?" What? Coherent sentences please. "Sales do play a role in rap it's dumb to say they don't, people buy what they like. If more people like it, it's publicly considered better." I said sales don't determine the quality of the music. It's 2015, a lot of people don't buy music anymore, even if they like it. Why do you think they started to consider streaming hits as sales? Music sales have dropped in the past 15 years & that's fact. Also you're assuming that everyone who purchases an album enjoyed it. That might not always been the case. This board has a HUGE Eminem fan base, of course he's going to win the poll. Eminem stans are notorious of voting for him over anything. We had a Illmatic vs MMLP2 poll back on SL (I don't know if you were a part of SL) & MMLP2 was winning for quite a while.
Aug 28, 2015 Before we go any further this argument is r-----ed. How is that not a coherent sentence? What is better a well executed song about food or a well executed song about life struggles? Content does determine the quality of music. And you've got to be kidding with 2015 eminem can't outrap Mac. That's a joke, like I realize eminem is not what he was was but he raps circles around Mac. And again, the sales do play a role in what the majority of people consider quality music. You find yourself on the losing end of the publics opinion. Nothing wrong with that, however your opinion is very unpopular and more people would side with me here. At the end of the day, that is the scoreboard stat. I stand by the statement, strip away any other element (sales, career, status). If eminem and Mac miller got on a track together today, eminem would outrap him by a decent margin.
Aug 28, 2015 How could I possibly make a determination like that with a description that vague & no specif songs to refer too? This is honestly a terrible way to approach music, automatically giving a song that's more introspective/serious an advantage over another song that might be more lighthearted. This belief that you've built that serious subject matter is superior than lowbrow subject matter is simply a biased. I'm not sure what you mean by "outrap" but i'm very confident that Mac Miller could deliver a better verse than Eminem at this point in both their careers. Eminem raps fast & forces multis in order to make up for his lack of solid song writing, Mac Miller doesn't have to hinge on one aspect of rapping like he does. And again, you're failing to understand that album sales don't determine quality music. @Arch Dogg hates Dr. Dre's new album Compton yet he stated he wants to buy it if he hasn't already. Not to mention the abundance of unpopular albums such as God Loves Ugly or Undun that don't sell anywhere near as much as the latest Nicki Minaj album but are critically praised. Your argument has pretty much fallen to its last limb & now you're resorting to "well, the general public sides with me so you lose!" The ironic part is that same general public are the people buying Future's new album & making him popular while he raps about subject matter you seem to dismiss.
