Feb 10, 2016

For the record, I have a problem with taxes in general because government allocation of money is inefficient. I have worked in the public sector before, it is absolutely horrendous. Education is important, but not college. College isn't for everyone, that's a fact. I'm not going to pay for a bunch of kids who can't pull their life together on their own. There are millions of dollars in scholarships that are unclaimed every year and there are alternatives to expensive universities. If someone really wants to go to college, they can find a way. I'm not going to hand it to them. The military wastes the most money, but I believe in the strength of our nation with a good defense. I don't want to decrease the size or development of our military, but they need to spend smarter without a doubt.

This is backbone of politics for me. Does more regulation and a bigger government help citizens and the growth of our country or hurt it? In my opinion, it hurts and social issues should not be the focus of politics.

 

Feb 10, 2016

You sound like a libertarian. If so, maybe you should move to that one successful libertarian society, ya know, that one, uh... I forget.

Edit: I work in the public sector right now. So don't try that route against me. Not all departments share the myth of waste and inefficiency.

You saying you are okay with big government when it comes to military but against it when it comes to creating a more balanced economy is all I need to know. Thanks for your time.

 

Feb 10, 2016

If you think you can get a BA at a public university in say, engineering for under 10k then you are severely. SEVERELY, misinformed.

And yes, I do advocate a $15 minimum wage. I earn more than that right now, so it won't benefit me directly So don't try that argument.

As a matter of fact search for the $15 minimum wage thread on Sec80 for my points and counter points that I'm sure you will try to bring up. Because I am not regurgitating them for you. I'll even link it if you so wish.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Cool post bro. You really proved a point with your wit and humor. A strong, efficient defense and large government programs and regulations are completely different so you can f--- off with your sarcasm. Honestly I don't give a s--- what you and all the Bernie supporters want. He will never win. No surprise you work in the public sector.

 

Feb 10, 2016

I never suggested that obtaining a bachelor's degree was free or cheap, and a $15 minimum wage is ridiculous.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Notice how he twists everything you say to strengthen his bs arguments.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Currently you don't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for an education.
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I'm sorry but when you make idiotic general statements, it is open to interpretation. If you consider an Associates an education, then I feel sorry for you. It is a waste of time, nothing more.
Such substance and compelling information in your opinion on the minimum wage though. I don't know what to say to that one. You got me there, bud.
By the way I'm still waiting on that proposal where corporate tax rates will increase. Let me know if you find it,

Coming from someone who has also worked in the public sector. That is a hollow insult, at worst.
I wasn't being funny, you should really move to that one country. you mention Bernie will never win, but that is an opinion. Want to hear a fact? A completely open and free economy will NEVER exist, and if it did it would be a disaster. That's why there are so many places where libertarianism is a proven model for society, right? Where there is a completely free market and everybody loves their neighbors. Go there. If it exists.


Listen boys. You guys are bringing completely educated and substantive debates to the table. (That is reeking of sarcasm, by the way). But I can't do this all day. So i must disengage from this internet argument. I will make one more call and knock on one more door here in Michigan for Bernie due to you guys. That way in 5 years you can look back and say, "I played a part in getting him elected". So kudos. Enjoy the "L"

 

Feb 10, 2016

The funny part is that you turn every post, deflect then claim the W. You're an idiot. Go waste more time knocking on doors and calling for Bernie. We made you look like a fool.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Bernie is going to do his best to bankrupt this country. Analysis already shows that his tax plan to fund his single payer health plan comes up $3-1$4 trillion short (while he claims it will save the country money). Didn't he also help write Obamacare? He already failed once miserably in helping to reform health care, I don't see the second time around being any better.
http://fiscalfactcheck.crfb.org/analysis-of-the-sanders-single-payer-offsets/

Getting a $15 minimum wage sounds nice until McDonalds and other companies start laying off employees to cut costs. In the long run, those big companies will be fine but this will k--- many small businesses that can't afford to pay those kind of wages.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Knock on a couple doors I don't mind, if you genuinely believe in the cause then go for it. I honestly dont see him winning though. But Blairs right, you twist others words in a way to fit your narative. Just like you quoted, I said that one doesn't have to pay tens of thousands for an education. I still stand by that statement, with the use of government grants and scholarships one can substantially lower their financial obligations in regards to education. Is it possible to spend tens of thousands on education? Absolutely, but it is not required. On the issue of the minimum wage If it were to be raised to a minimum of $15 an hour, this would be devastating to many small businesses across the nation, it would also lead to many people losing their jobs. Not to mention the inevitable increase to the cost of living across the board.

 

Feb 10, 2016

h--- yeah

 

Feb 10, 2016

Glad that you finally wised up.

 

Feb 10, 2016

No its just you legitmately did what i asked you not to do. You brought up points opposing the minimum wage. I've already discussed these counter-points in another thread, ad-nauseam. If you'd like to quote my points from that article and bring them over, sure. But I'm not regurgitating them. I'm sorry.

I didn't twist anything though man. You bring up points that hold true for an associates degree, I agree with them. But anything beyond that and your points do not apply. We just view "education" differently, I guess. I see it as >= BA in an important field. Not an associates degree in liberal arts. (no offense to art majors out there), That's all.

There's no twisting, you guys just have no counter-points. Hows that proposal for increasing corporate tax rates coming?

 

Feb 10, 2016

I was going to leave the minimum wage thing along until you stated that my position on minimum wage lacked substance, so I put forth the reasons I oppose it. And I didn't say there was any proposal to increase the corporate tax as of now, although the idea has been floated by liberals. I was simply stating that any further tax increase or regulations will only add to the problem. That statement is true.

 

Feb 10, 2016

I mean it did. My bad. Don't bring it up if the only thing you'll mention about it is that it is "ridiculous". I just don't want to type things that I've already typed elsewhere, that was my only point on it. But if you wanted to go there, bring something. I'm also happy to drop it. I'm down. lol

Also the high tax rate on corporations is the main reason that they don't bring back a B*** of their earnings to the U.S. Increasing the tax rate will only contribute to this problem.
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You're backing off that insinuation now? Come on bruh. Why bring it up at all if you aren't going to claim that as a proposal by the guy this thread is about. That was obviously where you were going with that. Or else it is literally out of the blue, because it was in response to someone saying they should pay their CURRENT tax rate. Saying that I twist things... Jesus.

 

Feb 10, 2016

I didn't back off, Increasing the tax rate would indeed contribute to the problem.

 

Feb 10, 2016

Lol can't believe anyone would vote for that old f---

 

Feb 10, 2016

Who are you voting for, instead, and why?

 

Feb 10, 2016

As much as I don't like Sanders, it would probably be interesting if you at least gave your reasons for not supporting him.

 

Feb 10, 2016

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