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Kendrick Lamar Complex: "To p---- A Butterfly isn't a conventionally enjoyable record"

Started by boyz n the suburbs, Nov 3, 2015, in Kendrick Lamar Add to Reading List

  1. Jehovah
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    Jehovah SB3

    Nov 4, 2015
    f--- the topic

    This s--- lit :popcorn::popcorn:
     
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  2. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Nov 4, 2015
    are you gonna lock yourself in the break room and cry about trudeau being sworn in
     
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  3. what
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    what .

    Nov 4, 2015
    Funny enough, I wrote an obituary about Harper today
     
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  4. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Nov 4, 2015
    are you mad that there will be niqabs on the bus
     
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  5. what
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    what .

    Nov 4, 2015
    Actually no. But just wait. Jason Kenny will rise.
     
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  6. lil uzi vert stan
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    lil uzi vert stan

    Nov 4, 2015
    Lol narsh I may be wrong but perry was saying you ignoring me - one of the most thoughtful, good looking, accomplished members here - is patently absurd. youre incapable of criticism, and worse... deeply immature. no loss if you ignore me lol. i find your conversation extremely annoying, as ive established
     
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  7. boyz n the suburbs
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    boyz n the suburbs In my city, I'm a young God

    Nov 4, 2015
    LBt6j.gif
     
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  8. Maximus
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    Maximus Skeppy

    Nov 4, 2015
    ive played this album over 100 times since it dropped

    fu- people who say this has no replay value
     
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  9. Narsh
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    Narsh

    Nov 4, 2015
    i havent played the album in over a 100 days
     
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  10. Maximus
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    Maximus Skeppy

    Nov 4, 2015
    granted it isnt for everyone, but if you value him as an mc, and you like the messages he talks about, there is no reason to not play this over and over again
     
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  11. Narsh
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    Narsh

    Nov 4, 2015
    Yes there is man..i swear u were around for TPAB release, no? And on SL? I'm a huge Kendrick fan...I did love the album when it came out (and still do think it's great, if not as impeachable as I once thought)

    But so much of this music is so rigid, at least for me. It's retroactively made me notice the stiffness in a lot of kendricks older works as well. He was making the best music on s80, even tho seemed more in his element in projects like GKMC or OD.

    I don't what's happened since sec80 but he's given in to his more self indulgent motivations and we ended up with a good album about super important topics, but one that isnt as free as his better projects. I feel like TPAB starts out very promising , like it will let itself breathe enough to flesh out all these ideas he's hurling at us, but ends up getting choked by its own ambition more often than not.

    Not in like a "oh his content was just so smart the music took a hit --" no. More like Kendrick genuinely made a handful of very stale artistic choices throughout the record.

    TPAB didn't need to be "easy listening" or anything. If anything, it should be proactive and uncomfortable, etc...but it's really not. The content, in any scenario, would always make it a dense listen front to back, but the music didn't need to feel so wooden
     
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  12. Maximus
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    Maximus Skeppy

    Nov 4, 2015
    i came on around that time yeah, and although i do agree with you on the majority of what you just said

    i just think we needed that music, like you cant have an album that sounds free with the concept that tpab upheld.

    like that album couldent have been done any different
     
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  13. Narsh
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    Narsh

    Nov 4, 2015
    yeeeees it could haaaaaaave

    the that album version of i :allears:
     
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  14. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Nov 5, 2015
    It's not something I find myself coming back to all that often anymore, but I still think portions of the record are great.

    As most of you probably remember, I thought it was amazing when I first heard it—part of this is due to my own misreading of the album, part is due to the fact that I had an unreleased record of one of the most famous rappers in the world and didn't know how to go about handling it. There was a lot of pressure there: TDE knew we had it, I was writing the first full preview of it on the internet, I was writing a review after the fact and had only written like three rap reviews in my life prior to that, Punch was going to (and did) tweet it out, Elliot Wilson RT'd my preview. Don't get me wrong, it was a cool as f--- experience and I'll be forever grateful that @Koolo trusted me with that kind of responsibility...but at this point I disagree with a lot of what I wrote. I felt kind of pressured to give it a higher score knowing that people at TDE were going to read it.

    Anyway, I'm not trying to shirk responsibility in regard to what I had originally said and wrote about it. The hype train was real and I was new to rap criticism (still am), but in the end, I can't really blame anyone but myself. It's still one of my fondest memories of sxn80, so it'll always have a special place in my heart for that reason.
     
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  15. Packman
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    Packman

    Nov 5, 2015
    Great post
     
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  16. Packman
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    Packman

    Nov 5, 2015
    TPAB isn't the worst record of all time, but it's not the album I wanted Kendrick Lamar to make
     
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  17. Maximus
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    Maximus Skeppy

    Nov 5, 2015
    i didnt know that

    d--- son your lucky, you deserve it tho
     
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  18. ozy
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    ozy

    Nov 5, 2015
    honestly tpab may be kendrick's most enjoyable album. gkmc is clearly superior but it's a bit too heavy for a casual listen and he was still developing as an artist on section 80. I feel like the people that have turned on tpab are just reacting to the fans that think this is "the greatest album of all-time" and aren't really judging the album itself. or maybe I'm wrong and I just genuinely enjoy a "boring" album. still album of the year for me tbh.
     
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  19. Fire Squad
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    Fire Squad Boss Don Biggavel

    Nov 5, 2015
    It's a weird album for me. In a vacuum I normally gravitate to the introspective content & social commentary that artists like Kendrick deliver but this record just feels unappealing as it drifts from the opening 4 songs. Not that it should always be a litmus test to compare albums from previous times but I go back and listen to records like The Low End Theory, Things Fall Apart or Like Water For Chocolate that dive into a similar narrative and I'm hooked on completely whereas I can't do that for TPAB. To me Kendrick tackled the same issues he intended to face on TPAB more expertly on tracks like Hiiipower & The Art Of Peer Pressure in example.
     
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  20. jewtheiii
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    jewtheiii

    Nov 5, 2015
    Why isn't it enjoyable?
     
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