Jul 26, 2016

Difference between J Cole and Canibus to Joe and Drake's situation is that Joe/Drake were actual friends and chilled with each other prior.

Joe's podcast wasn't even insulting though. If you listened to it, Joe just said he thought Drake could do way better. For most of the podcast, he praised Drake's abilities. He even said that he looked at Drake as everything he could've been in this industry and he wants the best for him.

Then French released the snippet "Pump pump it up" with the caption "We ending careers". I agree that Joe jumped the gun, but Drake KNOWS Joey and is/was a fan.

I don't blame Joe. This is rap at the end of the day. It's competition. If you subliminally diss someone, odds are, they're going to come back, full force.

I don't see the problem with Joe doing 4 disses. That's what rappers do lol.

Most Drake fans will claim he's too big for this, but Drake is a fan of hip hop and cares about his credibility, as much as his fans try to paint that he doesn't. It's why hes apart of the KOTD family and attends FRONT ROW at their events. Whether or not Joe Budden is relevant in today's market doesn't matter. To Drake? It matters.

 

Jul 26, 2016

Yes, but that is exactly what he has to do as the less famous\smaller artist in the situation to try to pull out any sort of response from Drake and not get shrugged off the way Hov has done Game and others.

It seems to be working a little.

 

Jul 26, 2016

Game dissed Joe. (unless you're referring to the Jay/Game beef).

Couldn't tell.

 

Jul 26, 2016

My bad, sorry for s-----y wording. I was referring to the Jay/Game beef.

 

Jul 26, 2016

Forced beef is lame. It's beyond corny. Like I said in my last post, I think Drake responded more so because of his ego rather than him caring about what Joe has to say.

 

Jul 26, 2016

Stardom, record sales, being a popstar has nothing to do with hiphop and beef. Such a s--- argument from these Drake stans. No one in hiphop gives a f--- if drake sells 1bn singles a week to teen girls Joe has just destoryed him 4 times in a row and hes sitting back like a b---- waiting for his ghost writers to write him another single

 

Jul 26, 2016

I don't blame either of them to be honest with you. Joe's kinda right, Drake could do better than Views, but Drake has a right to feel a type of way about a friend and someone he looked up to for put him on blast during a podcast.

In the end, I hope we get some tracks from Drake and eventually him and Budden squash it and work together. It's easy to say Budden's irrelevant but what he says matters to Drake, and deep down he probably knows he's right.

 

Jul 26, 2016

Exactly. Joe said it in an interview. He said he heard the snippet of "Pump, pump it up" and a caption saying "We ending careers" and he said Drake should've known better. Joe had no idea what was coming, so he took to the offensive.

That's why I blame French lol.

I don't get why people are so shocked he did 4 disses though. This is what normally happens in beefs. I mean USUALLY it's 2 disses vs 2 disses, but sometimes they extend.

I hope they work together, in the end.

 

Jul 26, 2016

I hope Drake doesn't mention this anymore at all and just focuses on making good music. That probably won't happen though.

 

Jul 26, 2016

May of misheard, but I thought during the Brilliant Idiots/ INTPL collad podcast Joe said he heard the record in advance before the rest of us did. He just wasn't sure the verse he heard / was made aware of would be the same one released officially to the public.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Yeah maybe I misheard it, but I interpreted it as he didn't know what Drake's angle was and took the offensive.

Like @Poohdini said, I don't necessarily blame either artist, but I think this is a matter of Drake needing to respond. My issue with Drake is that he claims to be a rapper, as well as a singer. He's apart of the culture, he attends KOTD events, he cares about his respect (why he dissed Meek off of ghostwriting allegations). Plus, Joe is one of his influences. He cares about Budden's opinions of him.

Whether or not Joe is irrelevant, is irrelevant.

Drake, right now, looks like he's overthinking this situation, IMO.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Ideally, sure, I wish that for both. But, as I said, this is rap music at the end of the day. Not to play the "real hip hop" card, but Drake plays it too. This is one of my criticisms of him. He'll play the "I'm too big to respond" card, yet hangs out, front row, at King Of The Dot events.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Nah he said he had talked to ppl who heard the record. Drake played it at his house party a week or 2 after the snippet dropped.

Idk I don't think he's overthinking it, I'm sure he's got something in mind but there's no rush. He's on tour n s--- so it's probably not a big priority for him. He's just gotta come correct if he decides to drop another record.

 

Jul 27, 2016

True, as long as he responds, then I'm cool with it. It's simple for me, he just needs to rap. It's really not as serious as everyone makes it.

Jay Z openly dissed Nas for NO REASON AT ALL, other than the fact he "wanted the top spot". No one really cared about why he did it, they just enjoyed the beef.

50 Cent was the biggest rapper at the time, and dissed Fat Joe, Nas, Jadakiss, etc for no real reason lol.

Eminem was the biggest rapper and responded to f---ing Benzino lol.

This isn't that big of a deal. Just rap. That's it.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Drake hasn't been to a KOTD event in years lol at least that I know of. I don't think him being a fan of battle rap means he's forced to respond to everyone that goes at him. Drake's calculated. He picks and chooses his battles which is smart on his part. This whole thing with Budden is nothing that deserves attention. Move on.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Drake skipped the Grammy's this year to go to a King of the Dot event lol.

He also spoke at a KOTD press conference in 2015.

 

Jul 27, 2016

It's smart yes, but it hurts his credibility as a rapper to diss an easy opponent in Meek yet constantly dodge the harder targets that can and will clap back just as hard if not harder (I.e. The Pusha Ts, Joe Buddens, etc.).

As you and others constantly bring up, Joe Budden is insignificant in the mainstream world so there is basically nothing he could say that would actually hurt Drakes popularity by any noticeable degree. So we can't say Drake will only lose either way since he loses nothing either way.

Of course, there is always option number 3: Instead of Drake directly responding to Joe's critism he could use it as honest feedback and steps his game up so when the next project comes around we get something worth anticipating.

 

Jul 27, 2016

To expand on that post, it's not that he's forced to respond. Of course he can choose not to. Jay Z used to throw one liners to artists all the time (one of them being 50 Cent). However, the difference? Jay would respond lol).

I mean, don't expect to be respected if you can't "get your bars up" when push comes to shove.

This is my issue with Drake, overall. He plays it safe, and it's frustrating. That's the difference between rappers who can maintain successful careers for 2 decades, and those who last off of a few years. Drake's music is starting to dwindle, and the main reason is because he plays it safe too much. What separates Drake is his ability to sing and mix together the two genres of r&b and hip hop.

However, this isn't going to carry him much longer, people get bored fast. I used to say the SAME THING about 50 Cent, while everyone thought 50 was untouchable. He got old fast. Drake is trending towards that. Granted, he's having great numbers but you're already hearing the rumblings, the same as 50.

Drake might be the first number one rapper I've seen that plays it THIS safe. I don't know if it's the state of hip hop right now or what, but it's really irritating for me.

I've been a fan of the genre since the 90's, and I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Just rap Drake. Who cares about your popularity or whatever. It literally will not effect you. If anything, it'll help you, because people will RESPECT YOU.

Like, almost everyone knows this matters to Drake.

Him trying to play it off like he's too big is like when posters on here post smiley faces when they're getting roasted.

 

Jul 27, 2016

If Eminem can respond to f---ing Benzino, Drake can respond to Joe Budden lol.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Suggesting meek was an "easy opponent" is entirely your opinion. People s--- on meek now but before diss tracks were exchanged, everyone thought meek was going to body Drake. He came up as a battle rapper from Philly. He dropped the ball/under estimated his opponent and Drake took advantage. Regardless of that, the meek/drake beef made sense. Meek was mad that Drake gave him a verse he didn't write, drake's credibility as an artist was being attacked, it was all understandable. This Budden/drake s--- comes off as entirely forced. I explained this further in a previous post but Budden's been hyping it up to be something it's not. He's going on interviews talking about how Drake "hurt him" and trying to make it something personal when its not lol. The entire beef is just lame lol.