Jul 27, 2016

Benzino was co-owner of The Source which was regarded as "the bible of hip-hop" for years. Joe Budden is a member of slaughterhouse.

 

Jul 27, 2016

You'd have to be living under a rock to think Drake's music is dwindling. I'm willing say he's reached Eminem level stardom to the point where it doesn't even matter what he puts out, it's going to sell. If it has his name on it, it's going to sell. Drake's been a star in hip-hop since 09 and has only continued to get bigger. 50 cent's trajectory was smaller and a lot shorter.

Also Fitz, exchanging diss tracks stopped being a common practice in hip-hop like 10 years ago lol. Drake is far from the only artist who "plays it safe." When Jay Electronica went at Kendrick, we got a couple subliminals from Kendrick but that was it. I bring up the Cole/Canibus beef again, when Canibus dissed Cole, Cole didn't respond at all. Like.... That's just how it is now. This is not something only Drake does.

 

Jul 27, 2016

I usually cringe at defending Eminem, but no f---ing way is this true.

Eminem was so huge that he's been able to make some of the worst music I've ever heard and still go multi platinum with every release. This is such a rare case within this genre.

Anyways, when I said Drake's music is dwindling, I did not mean his record sales, I meant his quality of music. It's uninspired and lacks creativity. When I say "play it safe" it doesn't necessarily mean diss responses, it means within his music. Drake is nowhere near Kanye West in terms of taking risks.

Drake's music is safe music, which works for now, but trust me, it'll come to the point where people will get sick of it. This is the cycle of music. That's why he should be trying to innovate rather than riding his popularity.

That's my WHOLE ISSUE with Drake. This beef embodies that. He's taking the safe route, yet again.

I gave him tons of respect for the Meek Mill beef, because he didn't need to respond to anything, yet he did. He finally took a risk and it actually paid off.

Dare I say, his Meek Mill beef brought in new fans to his music?

You're right, Drake's name is big within the genre, and in 2016, he's definitely hip hop's top artist, where anything he'll touch will be a success.

From a non bias standpoint, the annoyance with Drake comes from the fact that he has the power to transcend music.

If he took more risks, he could change the landscape of, not only the genre of hip hop, but music in general.

However, he's more concerned with playing it safe.

He could be an even BIGGER artist than he is at the moment. He could enhance the culture of hip hop AND the music industry.

Look at how big his Meek Mill beef was.

Most of you guys don't remember Nas/Jay's beef, but it was actually similar to it because it was the first time in a long time where the hip hop community was waiting for a response from another artist.

Drake made beef cool again in the mainstream.

See my point?

Also, I saw you bring up the Bis/Cole "beef".

The main difference is Canibus' skills fell off like 15 years ago.

I'm not talking relevancy, but skills have been s--- for nearly two decades. Nobody takes him seriously as a lyricist anymore.

Joe Budden might be a joke with some of his career decisions, but he's not a joke of a lyricist by any means. He still makes quality music and Wake MORE than warranted a response. J Clone was f---ing garbage.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Drake is the most influential artist in the game right now next to Future, and his name on anything is instant success. I'd say that's right up there with Em.

As huge of Budden fan I am, Drake played it right again as he should have. Joey is not even on Drake's basement level when it comes to popularity, and Drake is more of a pop idol than a rapper. A few little shots here, and that's it. Hardcore hip hop fans were satisfied with Joey's Wake track, mainstream kiddies were satisfied with Drake's baby diss in No Shopping. Everybody wins. There was nothing more that could have happened, in fact, this made a s--- ton more buzz then it even should have and that relied ENTIRELY on the fact that Joey actually can spit. If he was washed up and couldn't rap, it would be Cole and Canibus all over.

 

Jul 27, 2016

I agree with Drake being as influential, if not more so, as Future.

I'm NOT going to agree with him being as huge as Eminem during Eminem's peak. No way.

I'm not arguing Drake's popularity at all. I just cited the fact that he made diss records cool again, just last year. His Meek beef was pretty much this generation's version of Nas/Jay, as sad as that sounds.

Canibus' diss to J Cole s----d, it was awful. Canibus has not been good in forever, even though he influenced J Cole, it's like... sad.

Joe Budden was influential to Drake's style, and Drake has said that Joey is "one of the best, ever" Difference between Joe and Bis? Joe is still releasing quality music, and released a quality diss to Drake.

Regardless of what Drake fans try to paint, Drake cares about Budden's disses and opinions. That's why he subliminally dissed Joe after Joe's f---ing podcast, where he praised Drake for basically an hour, yet said he sounded "uninspired".

Sorry guys, he cares.

My whole issue is that Drake could actually be bigger and more successful than he is right now.

 

Jul 27, 2016

I agree, he tends to go the safe route a little too often. He will never make bad music, but not being able to expand is limiting his potential.

Also agree about the beef, it's not that big a deal, Budden just wants him to compete. If he loses, who's gonna really say Drake should've won anyway? If he wins, he gains a lot of credibility. Drake's in a no lose situation to be completely honest.

 

Jul 27, 2016

It's arguable. Drake fan base in Europe is getting pretty big. Obviously his fan base in Canada is huge and same with in the states.

Drake's always struggled when it comes to putting out projects. At least he has in my eyes. The only solid all around solo project he's put out is "Nothing Was the Same." With that being said, I wouldn't say the quality of his music is dwindling. "Thank Me Later" still sits comfortably as his worst album. As for "playing it safe," Drake's never been the artist to take many chances but his style has evolved. "If You're Reading This, It's To Late" sounds nothing like "Take Care." The whole Caribbean sound on a couple of the songs on "Views" is something he hasn't done before either.

I disagree entirely. Meek attacked his credibility/artistry. People were questioning him as an artist because of what Meek said. He definitely needed to respond and make a statement which he did.

Fixed.

 

Jul 27, 2016

Exactly. Great post.

 

Jul 28, 2016

there's no f---ing way drake's stardom is at eminem's peak stardom

 

Jul 28, 2016

Your showing your age with this comment, Drake is not even close to how big Em was you have no idea how far off you are

Thing is saying Joe is irrelevant and not big enough is bs. If we are keeping it hiphop Joe is held in high regard by pretty uch every MC. Even during the Wu s--- Rae and m--- gave Joe his pros for rap ability

 

Jul 28, 2016

That's not what I said though.

Em was? I'm talking about now. Eminem now. Drake has reached the level of stardom of Eminem now. I don't think we'll ever see a hip-hop artist as big as Eminem was in the early 2000's.

It's not so much that Joe is irrelevant. It's that this entire "beef" is being forced. Joe's been instigating on social media, putting out a handful of diss tracks, talking about it on interviews etc. for over a month now lol. All we've got from Drake is a verse and him making fun of Joe at a concert. That's it.

This pretty much tells you how seriously Drake is taking Joe Budden and this whole fiasco:



Start watching @ 22:13

 

Jul 28, 2016

This was probably the best thing I have seen all day.... LOL

 

Jul 28, 2016

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Jul 28, 2016

whoops wrong thread

 

Jul 28, 2016

lol

 

Jul 28, 2016

no you said this, sorry didnt know you were talking about current eminem. I would say that drake has surpassed current eminem tbh in popularity, but not em in his prime

 

Jul 29, 2016

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/joe-budden-details-instagram-dms-drake-recently-sent-him-news.23122.html

The Drake and Joe Budden beef has certainly lasted longer than anyone expected it to, and it's only getting weirder as it progresses. The most recent update comes from Joe's appearance on Cari Champion's ESPN podcast, Be Honest, in which Budden paraphrased a conversation he had with Drake via Instagram DM quite recently.

While he said he wouldn't be releasing screenshots of Drake's messages just yet, he was willing to divulge at least the first part of the exchange, which he says Drake initiated.

"He started off with 'I would like to formally invite you to one of my four Madison Square Garden shows, August 4th. You and however many people you’d like to bring,'" he recalled. "Then after that it said, ‘and I bet you can’t release 25 diss records between now and then.'"

At this point Joe was a bit confused by the tone of the messages. "So then it was the laughing emoji. I use that emoji with my friends, so I don't know if he's laughing or joking at this point," he said. "And then he followed that with, ‘If you can, I will give you $10,000 LOL.’ And then it said 'Joey' with a bunch of exclamation points. I didn’t know how to take that.”

Budden doesn't seem to be jumping at Drake's offer, but he did say that he sent a message back joking that he could get to at least 20 records by Drizzy's deadline. However, he was still unsure about what the OVO rapper was putting forth with the invite. "That sounds like someone who's a gentleman. That sounds like someone who isn't really bothered by any of this, but it also sounds like someone who's attempting to insult someone," he said. In the DMs that followed

 

Jul 29, 2016

my hands smell like ice cream cake

 

Jul 29, 2016

IG fingers

 

Jul 31, 2016

haters everywhere