Jun 19, 2016

Tell me about this "bias"

 

Jun 19, 2016

but its all opinions. No such thing as fact when it comes to art

 

Jun 19, 2016

Problem with how lots of Eminem's fans talk about his music is that they reduce it to math. They break it into syllable or word or line components and try to convince you via that route of how great he is. That's not what music's about.

 

Jun 19, 2016

See if you think I'm wrong, you're free to think I'm wrong--I assume most people here do. But that's not what "bias" is. I have no personal or professional grudge against Eminem, I just think his catalog itself isn't that good. It has nothing to do with the stanning on this site; that might make me exaggerate my feelings for comedic effect, but they're legitimately my feelings about his work.

 

Jun 19, 2016

No not at all. I disagree with you all the time but I'm talking about these kids who are like "When Wayne got good in 2007..." or "Snoop never made a good album after Doggystyle..." or otherwise parrot things they've heard that support narratives propping up the tiny clique of dudes they like. It's not even an elitist thing, where I think you or I are better or smarter for listening to more music, it just grates on me when people try to speak definitively despite having a very limited view of what was happening in rap in a given year.

 

Jun 19, 2016

Eminem's talent is not equivalent to his discography

whereas I think lil wayne utilized his prime, and the music he made after, in a much better way. There's no denying who has the better catalog between the two. ( even though I generally cant stand little waynes music either)

I think the better question is who is actually the better RAPPER between prime Eminem and lil wayne, thats a more interesting conversation than who is top 10 worthy.

What I dont understand is why its so hard for Eminem fans to swallow that he never crafted a perfect 10/10 album like doggystyle, illmatic, makaveli, liquid swords or pinata, all of his projects have aged terribly and seem so childish.

 

Jun 19, 2016

Lmao my favorite rapper atm is Young Thug and I don't see what's the problem with my list.
I dream about the day you will finally debate for real instead of just mocking

 

Jun 19, 2016

Cool, we can never talk politics again then.

Do you think the new YG is better than my krazy life? I need to give MKL another listen. I just cant buy into you dudes calling it a classic

 

Jun 19, 2016

There's an Eminem sxn in 2016 what you expect

 

Jun 19, 2016

I've done that for years on this board and its predecessors and the level of discourse just keeps getting lower and lower. I've given up on topics like this.

I mean I think SSLP is a *good* rap album. It's not great, and while it maximizes his skills in some respects, it certainly isn't an accurate reflection of where his talent level was at the time. I'm not sure if I'd say MMLP is particularly good.

MKL has higher highs (save "Twist My Fingaz," which is probably his best song). Still Brazy doesn't have a "Bicken Back" or a "Meet the Flockers." But what it does have is a half-dozen songs that are very, very, very close to that level: "Gimmie Got Shot," "Blacks and Browns," "Don't Come to L.A.," "I Got a Question," etc. I would give a slight edge to Still Brazy because he's improved as an out-and-out rapper, but I think they're very comparable in terms of quality. Imo it's been quite a a while since a rapper started his or her career with two albums that were both this good and this different from one another.

 

Jun 19, 2016

Is my opinion so terrible?

 

Jun 19, 2016

As I've posted about at length on here before, I don't think Eminem was close to the best rapper in the world in 2002. "Lose Yourself" (and another song or two on the 8 Mile OST if I remember correctly) are pretty undeniable, but there were masterpieces dropping that year. The Eminem Show was, at that point in his career, far and away his worst-produced album, had a bunch of saccharine woe-is-me raps, and had little of the wit or absurd narrative from earlier in his career. It's an okay record. It's not The Fix or Lord Willin or The Lost Tapes. I would argue that there were 20 better rap records from that year.

 

Jun 19, 2016

How people can type paragraphs upon paragraphs about an artist they don't like is beyond me lol
Don't you guys get tired talking about Eminem?

 

Jun 19, 2016

Like how many times can you guys have the same conversation it's been this way since RB lol
At least Nogger was entertaining with it

 

Jun 19, 2016

Lol this combination of elements is present in pretty much every competent rapper. Pretty sure a lot of rappers before and after Em have rapped using multiple cadences btw, really don't see how this is innovative in the slightest

 

Jun 19, 2016

it doesn't have to be innovative... most current innovative rappers are trash.

And Eminem was one of the greatest to even incorporate complex rhymes in his rap.