Oct 11, 2020 You're Never Over wasn't great lyrically (blogging about bologna, pumpkins on halloween show up on ur porch, dyna in mite, ketchup to the energy I've mustard) but the sheer energy towards the end and the fact its a proof tribute deserves a place somewhere imo.
Oct 11, 2020 I even remember telling my friends it was dropping in August & it happened. We were actually talking about that fact the other day. That rumour was solid for the whole time up to release. I’m pretty sure the guy tweeted the week before the release as well. Joyner also hinted at the new project saying he laid a verse for it. I don’t know what I can do to prove it other than other members being able to confirm it too.
Oct 11, 2020 The genuine funny Eminem died in 2004. It says a lot about you if you are still enjoying Eminem's goofy "funny" songs. Stick to having Those Kinda Nights on repeat
Oct 11, 2020 Sure. Rain Man, for example, is definitely not a filler song, although he made the whole song and didn't say s---.
Oct 11, 2020 I'd say genuinely funny Em died sooner. Maybe... 2002. He still always has flashes though. Even "Those Kinga Nights" you mentioned, even if you don't like the whole song - when he says ''that's harrassment!... yeah, and?" - THAT's funny. That's like vintage Em. Also Recovery era Em, just for the sheer OTT affected rage - in particular women-hate overload - was pretty f---ing funny to me. "I'LL BE SCREAMING ON THESE WHORES 'TILL I'M HOARSE!!!!". Fairly hilarious.
Oct 11, 2020 Genuinely funny Eminem died when uncle Ronnie killed himself. He just hasn't been the same since. Eminem is always funny, even when he's angry. Every bar is basically a punchline to a joke.
Oct 11, 2020 I'll vouch for this. I'm speaking from India. Except Eminem, people are pretty much oblivious to all other rappers. Some *hardcore* hip hop fans know Tupac, Biggie and the classics. The other rapper(not rapper) they know is Drake. That's it. Except these dudes, there's only pop music on repeat. And I can tell you for sure, we are a coloured people and not once do we think of Em's race while listening to his music. And not just my generation. The previous generation too seems to be familiar with Em. Again, *maybe* Em's colour had something to do with his rise. But maintaing that stuff is hard. Macklemore was HUGE. Now, where's he?
Oct 11, 2020 I've been looking at you throughout the thread and d---. You are one, really, useless facetious person. Plus, I don't think you're very courteous either. I can draw a few conclusions based on that...
Oct 11, 2020 It gave him the initial outreach, but his undeniable skill, talent & shock value factor propelled him much further.
Oct 11, 2020 Exactly! I'd say it had nothing to do with his rise. Only for like ten seconds where you go 'Oh look! a white rapper!', that's IT!. It doesn't maintain beyond that or make you huge. I've never known anyone, and I certainly do not either... relate to artists based on race, it's such a silly idea. America makes everything about race. And the hyper-left in America particularly. They act like EVERYTHING is about race, it's ridiculous. 'Relatability' I think is one of the most overblown assumptions when people talk about Eminem or music in general. Look at The Beatles - who the f--- can 'relate' to half of The Beatles' music? Sometimes they were singing about Walruses ffs, lmao. I don't think people FEEL music that way. I think if it's catchy and compelling... it will hit. Period. Regardless of the artists' race and regardless of the subject-matter. We don't do this with other art, nobody says certain directors or movies are big because of the the directors' race lmao. The recent Batman movies are some of the biggest movies ever... can people relate to Batman? It's so ridiculous. Eminem was huge because his music is catchy and compelling. Period. The same reason 2Pac was. The same reason The Beatles were. The same reason Madonna was. The same reason Michael Jackson was. Music is big because of the music.
Oct 11, 2020 It feels like the race argument has been created to denounce all of Eminem’s achievements by reducing it to his race, it’s a lousy argument. All we need to do is look around him & see there is no other white rapper close to his position for this exact reason, it’s not relevant, talent is. The only way I’d say it is relevant in some form is the fact that a lot of middle class & older generations get put off by the obsession of saying the word “n-----” in rap songs, whereas obviously Em doesn’t. I know first hand that this is a turn off to outsiders, but you have to get to a certain point off skill alone to come into the conversation to where these types of people are hearing your music, but apart from that, seen as despite this point, no other white rapper is close to the throne - his success isn’t reliant on race, far from it.
Oct 12, 2020 Still on his websites with papers of lyrics that we have not heard, one of them seem to be a different version of The Real Slim Shady
Oct 12, 2020 Those sheets are in the way I am book too. But yeah, idk what's up with the MMLP20 thing.
Oct 12, 2020 I still believe he wouldn't have been this big if he wasn't white. He was one of the very few (good) white rappers at that time, had Dre in his corner, everything just fit at the right moment, at the right place, at the right time. If it wasn't for this, he wouldn't have been protested againt, because white kids wouldn't have looked up to him. Which would've meant no controversy. The controversy eventually got him worldwide attention. Doesn't matter which country you take as an example. I know a lot of (white) parents back in the day said "I don't want my kids to listen to Eminem, because it would be bad for them" who never heard about 2Pac or any other rapper, because that was 'black music'. A lot of people who know jack s--- about rap know Eminem, not because of his music, but because of his attitude and his influence on, mainly white, children. h--- even my parents, who only listen to oldie goldies, know about Eminem, and they don't know any other rapper. It was always about the controversy. No other white rapper will ever have that combination again. The controversy is gone, because it's been played to death. White rappers are a dime in a dozen, so that's nothing new. And Dre isn't starting a new record label any time soon. That he keeps riding the wave for 20+ years is because of his skill and a (too) loyal fanbase that'll ride with him until the wheels fall off. Which is fine, but just be realistic about that. Em probably has the most loyal fanbase of any artist. He could release a 3 min fart-track and somehow it would come up as a nr 1 single on Spotify. I"m an Eminem fan as well, and I'll listen to every song he releases, bad or good, but saying his skincolor wouldn't have made a difference in him blowing up is ignorant. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. Let's agree to disagree.
Oct 12, 2020 It's a fact that everything has fallen in the right place with him. The right moment, right time etc. If it weren't for those, nobody would succeed in anything. Nobody blows up just because they are great or best at something. It's a matter of luck to some degree and yes, the fact that he is white kinda helped his popularity but that doesn't mean it never backfired on him. It did plenty of times and now they still try to use it against him lol. So yes, as for the numbers, his race made a change positively but it also made him less respected as a rapper. Oh btw, even if he was black, he might have been huge, sure not like what he was and is today, sure he might not have had back to back diamond albums but we would never know anyway. And it's really dumb to assume he wouldn't be as big as Jay Z is even without a skin color helping him become more contraversial etc.
