Oct 26, 2018 this, seriously fuvk off with the threadbans. like we get it you got the same 3 f--s reporting posts because they dont realise this is a hip hop forum and thinks it's some staging ground for political ideologies
Oct 26, 2018 Slightly off topic @Enigma @reservoirGod is there anyone on the left that you guys think can beat Trump in 2020?
Oct 26, 2018 Potentially yes but need more name recognition. I really really like the idea of Harris + a VP from the south or north. Like a Beto O’Rourke or Joe Kennedy III. Harris put out a tax plan last week that I think is brilliant & would be a great policy to run on: Im really open to anyone that’s a new face tbh. Just not Biden or Sanders please... for the love of god. We need to shut the door on 2016.
Oct 26, 2018 That’s what a lot of people say but I think if she picked the right VP & made something big like that tax redistribution plan or infrastructure her central policy to run on, she’d be a juggernaut. I think where Clinton’s campaign messed up a bit is they got too preoccupied with responding to Trump’s daily blunders that their platform just got lost in all the noise. Whoever is the next candidate needs to stay on message & not feel the need to respond whenever Trump says something ridiculous. Avenetti is a good political soldier & he’s fantastic with the media but a presidential candidate? h--- no. Never mind being tremendously unqualified but his temperament is hardly better than Trump’s. I really hope he stays in his lane.
Oct 26, 2018 I think there are plenty of people left of Clintonian neoliberalism who could beat Trump. The question is whether the democratic establishment backs them. Pandering to the center already failed spectacularly so I don't know how Enigma can advocate Beto or Kennedy III with a straight face. Kamala Harris is definitely preferable over Corey Booker or some other careerist husk. Bernie Sanders is the most popular senator in the country and has a deeper history of upholding agreeable positions though. He's not perfect by any means, but I have no illusions the DNC is going to do anything but sabotage somebody more progressive than he is.
Oct 26, 2018 Unless you think Joe Manchin is the center, yes, Beto is a typical establishment dem who only looks good in comparison to a ghoul like Cruz. This is an exercise in choosing ideal candidates. I can't imagine coming up with Kennedy III and Beto as ideal for anything. They're the type of compromise the dems have already been running and losing with.
Oct 26, 2018 What’s your parameters for being center then? I assume we’re talking political ideology here. Beto is firmly to the left on a ton of core issues from social justice to abortion to environmental to the economy etc. I don’t think being an establishment dem & center go hand-in-hand if that’s what you’re saying.
Oct 26, 2018 https://www.texasobserver.org/beto-orourke-congress-ted-cruz-democrats/ Supporting decriminilzation of marijuana and gay marriage and coopting a popular policy like m4a in 2018 is like the bare minimum of qualifiying as a liberal, let alone a leftist. I want somebody with a progressive record not a blank slate to project on like Obama or an opportunist like Hillary.
Oct 26, 2018 You’re gonna have a rough time finding anybody not named Bernie Sanders to support then lol.
Oct 26, 2018 Well in the primary I won't have to. Rather make centrists compromise leftward to compete with Bernie, see the shift in M4A, than start from the center and move right. Already compromising on Bernie's likely complicit role in US imperialism and Israeli relations and s---. He's also only proven to be a more and more pragmatic choice since Hillary fell flat on her face. Again, he's the most popular senator and has the longest record of doing the right thing. You have to hide behind the same arguments we did in preferring Hillary to chose anybody over him. "They're more electable" blah blah blah. Yeah, we saw how the authorities on that performed.
Oct 26, 2018 I just think it’s time to open the door for the younger generation. Even with Sanders being old, controversial & his electability being questionable, I want new faces. 2016 was a failed attempt all around & Sanders played a role in that. Making Clinton out to be this corporate puppet which was an easy segway for trump’s “crooked Hillary” name tag. Also, sectioning off some of the far-left from supporting Clinton. Sanders was a divisive figure & people don’t really mention that but he was. Also, how does Bernie get a pass for “complicit role in US imperialism & Israeli relations & s---” but Beto is a centrist for suggesting we may need to raise the retirement age in the future?
Oct 26, 2018 Exactly bro f---ing spot on. Similarly idk why people blame ISIS for the stupid muslim youth in the west who’ve killed hundreds in ISIS inspired attacks. I mean, it’s exactly like when people blamed Eminem for encouraging kids to do stupid s---
Oct 26, 2018 Why do you value age? It's irrelevant to somebody's politics. Beto is 50. I don't care if he does the air drums lol. Blaming Hillary on Bernie is hilarious. Trump criticized his own party for their corporate ownership under the Kochs as well. Neither establishment were prepared for the "populism" aka people bucking the oligarchy. The difference is the conservatives either couldn't stop it or predicted it was the pure rhetoric it turned out to be. While the DNC scrambled to steal the primary (to some degree) and succeeded only to realize they put a lame duck up against Trump. Also, Beto also rejects corporate donors. So I guess we can blame Hillary's loss on him too lol. He doesn't get a pass for anything. If there was a better option on the table, I'd take it in a second. Some out and out socialists are winning seats in congress. Even they have issues though. AOC has a great platform and still wobbled on Israel. He's still more consistent on all issues than Kamala Harris. Again, Obama was the youthful face of change upon which we projected our own beliefs, and surprise surprise, he was completely impotent.
Oct 26, 2018 I think younger candidates do a better job energizing the base. They resonate better with young voters, they tend to be more in tuned with culture/society, sharper instincts, better health, can be vocal leaders even after they leave office who can help shape the party moving forward (see kind of Obama now). Health definitely is a big one though, especially with Regan which was obvious & Trump which is arguably even more obvious. Beto turned 46 like a month ago btw lol. I’m not trying to get into this finger pointing of 2016 debate again which is kind of my whole point lol. Shut the door on that election. f--- no to Sanders, Biden, Holder, even f---ing O’Malley if he tries to run again lol. Just no. That whole election was a s--- show gone horribly wrong & everything about it needs to go in the trash. My question was more so pertaining to labeling Beto a centrist. Is sanders a centrist too because he’s complicit in US imperialism/Israel? Like, I’m just curious how you make these groupings lol.
Oct 26, 2018 that's actually pretty honourable of him tbh. You just know most of his friends here would've just come up with all sorts of excuses or even downplayed/defend the attackers I'm sad that I never get mentioned alongside squidge and danny. I was part of their group and a lot of squidge's posts were styled by me on msn. Am I that bland
