Aug 2, 2017 Republicans are nearly 100% tribal now... That only vote (R) they hate (D)'s and act like they should be able to murder them. Tomi Larhen is a good example of the Republican Party... A dumb blonde b---- who 70 year old racists want to f---... She got famous for calling "Liberals" baby killers and spending 100s of hours arguing for the repeal of Obamacare... Meanwhile she is Pro-choice and recently and inadvertently admitted she was lucky to be on Obamacare. A decade ago the planks of the Republican Party as an almost monolithic group included: Prolonging the Iraq War Banning Gay Marriage Banning Stem Cell Research These views are completely out of the mainstream now. Democratic ideas win out even after Democrats lose office because the Democrats stand py practicality and common sense while Republicanism has become more of a lifestyle brand with no real ideas... Just a "cool" thing to be while believing voting Democrat is "uncool."
Aug 2, 2017 Holy s--- . It's really fun seeing Papa undermine abortion rights from a tactical perspective and WPG challenging his purity. Just overall seeing Papa try to thread the line with WPG's consistent ideological probing while attempting to retain some sense of political realism. When someone like Trump becomes your president with such a radical right wing narrative, you need to seriously reconsider the relevance of your ideology to the voting public.
Aug 2, 2017 And Dems aren't? I mean I agree with you on Republicans being tribal but let's not act like Dems vote (R) from time to time and have no animosity towards Republicans.
Aug 2, 2017 The average Republican isn't Conservative, they are Anti-Liberal. They hate the "Lib-Tards"... They want to "drink liberal tears." The average Democrat is Liberal, Progressive or Pro-Labor (or a combination)... They have an ideology and aren't defined by a hatred of 50%+ of Americans.
Aug 2, 2017 It seems like you are overestimating a small portion of "Republicans"...... @Papa Andy I'm curious, how do you politically identify? I mean obviously you're a democrat, but you strike me as more of a moderate Democrat. Am I wrong?
Aug 2, 2017 I'm definitely not. Donald J. Trump is the Republican President.. The last time he was coherent was the 2000's when he was a Hillary supporting NYC Anti-Iraq War Limousine Liberal Democrat... The most Republican thing about him at the time was how he outsourced the manufacturing of his name brand products. Today half of Republicans don't know who George Will is and the other half hate him because he won't lie and say Donald Trump is a competent President and is anything but a opportunist con artist with fastly diminishing faculties. The Republicans are a Party without an ideology... They started to lose it in the 2000s when the CEC decided to back Bush43 no matter his inept cause... Then when the CEC and the actual elected Republican elected officals decided that the GOP's only stance was to oppose anything that President Obama stood for instead of governing and legislation was just taking the rudder off the ship and throwing it into the ocean. Now the worst case scenario has happend and an (R) President who doesn't have enough sense or leadership to give a speech to the Boy Scouts is President. The Republican Party is lost... But more popular than ever.
Aug 2, 2017 Yeah that's about right. Pragmatic blue collar dem I guess. @reservoirGod good post @Perry The Platypus good post lol. Pls stay -- though I disagree on trade. It hasn't been an issue for the base (who lap up stupid cultural issues) but it was a tenet of the GOP establishment for a long time
Aug 2, 2017 pragmatic = Spineless, born loser blue collar = We need their votes, otherwise f--- em democrat = I'd vote for Hillary all over again Meanwhile https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-31/the-u-s-is-the-sick-man-of-the-developed-world
Aug 3, 2017 More vitriol from leftist know-nothing. Never run a race, no clue how politics works. Just angry, cloistered insults from yet another wallflower=just what the party needs lol @Sign Language what u mean u alone? ..what r u edit: marc tesla has no friends, but here's what his friends are attempting to do: https://newrepublic.com/article/143926/dirtbag-left-problem-dominance-politics
Aug 3, 2017 Except I'm not even a socialist/communist lol. I don't even read Lennin like you insinuated. I'm only interested in the farthest left because they accurately critique what's wrong with the democratic establishment and crony capitalism. Oh, and they recognize class for what it is. I think asking for a country without a state is asking for a tyrant to take it over, as has been shown repeatedly. I'm perfectly fine with actual capitalism, where the free market actually drives honest competition instead of letting the biggest players pass legislation that drives out competition or where the government saves them from collapsing with subsidies despite how often they f--- over the public. Abortion is one of the last bastions of actual leftist thought that remains in the democratic party. Otherwise, they're hand in hand in with the republicans voting for imperialism, voting for s-----y economic policy that only benefits the rich, being slaves to the donor class instead of their electorate, letting corporations accelerate climate change etc. We're fighting an uphill battle on having Obamacare instead of nothing because it's "more practical" instead of all payer or single payer which the entire developed world, almost all left of us, has better healthcare while using. Bernie Sanders, his flaws and Reddit withstanding, came within an inch of the nomination with the entire establishment against him on a platform largely inline with actual leftist ideals. His very presence pulled the party further left in order to compete with him, or at least what he stood for. Jeremy Corbyn was just elected head of the Labor Party in Britain with very similar views and very similar opposition in the establishment. He could very probably win the General Election as well. I'm not the only person disenchanted by the establishment. I mean, I'd be stunned if you didn't agree with at least a portion of the problems I've outlined. The only difference is you think think the democrats will change course out of the goodness of their hearts at some point, while I maintain we've got enough data points to prove otherwise. f--- this party. I hope they keep losing until they course correct with actual policy instead of messaging. Their promises don't hold water when it comes time to vote or legislate. I guess I have more faith in the public than you. I don't see the left doing anything but expanding moving forward. I'll happily fight a losing battle until there's a chance at winning the war.
Aug 3, 2017 You're coming off like an #edgelord though, man. We just fundamentally disagree here. And it's okay for a party to encompass wide schools of thought. It's a parttttyyyy man, relax. I disagree with your rhetoric here, lots to unravel. I think we're increasingly see change come from the business community on issues like climate change. I think his upset run against Hillary has been largely inflated. In fact -- s/o Sasha Stone @WPG -- his lingering in the race to make political points severely weakened Hillary. Some of your ideals are perhaps correct... but the tactics and tone taken by the Bernie camp undermine the party at the exact wrong time. And like, you and he and Paul should create your own party lol if you're so upset. I don't think that? I have data points too man. Check the thread. BYE Exactly - meanwhile millions of hard working families are going to suffer. I fundamentally think the dems offer stronger alternatives than the current political establishment/alt right in Washington. I'm disheartened you don't see that and want to rant instead about making the perfect the enemy of the good.
Aug 3, 2017 The only difference between us is that I subscribe to the greater good that you pretend to. Oh, and I actually regret voting for Hillary Clinton instead of pretending the vast majority of "Berniebros" didn't and that cost her the election instead of scandal, no substance, and an opponent who at least acknowledged the legitimate anger of the populous at the elite.
Aug 3, 2017 ugh i just saw that perry post. "wpg does not know any pro-lifers. i know several!" he's like if an alien race sent its dumbest burnouts to suburban canada and prayed for the best.
Aug 3, 2017 i would also like to point out that anyone arguing that this leftist groundswell is limited to bros on the internet has absolutely know idea what he or she is talking about. the level of disillusionment with the democrats among lower- and working-class folks is high and rising.
Aug 3, 2017 There's a lot of differences between us -- but that's another thread. In this case, though, I actually know what I'm talking about lol. I'm not pretending anything this isn't a game you weirdo. Refute my points -- particularly how you're letting the perfect become the enemy of the good... gimp. No more dodges. All of this is true -- again, not wordsmithing you. It's not either or unfortunately. This is politics, after all. Does this mean you don't find merit to the widely stipulated accusations about Russian interference too? It's ALL a cause. You sound like Trump. No nuance, all anger. Thanks - no. So we're full circle - yes, the anger is real, and dems should do a better job reaching ...on a few levels. You should attend community meetings in Jefferson County, Arkansas!!! Arizona 2nd, PA 6 etc
