May 9, 2015 I sincerely disagree with most of what you guys are saying so I'm not sure how to respond first saying legacy isn't a 10 you point out a song or two you claim to dislike yet for no real reason, then ask me to defend the rest of the album when it's the god d--- mathers lp 2 an entire song predicated on the "I've created a monster" line and what it spawned is a f---ing incredible thing to even exist and you s--- all over it like what you think matters at all. the devil voices, the most bankable singer on earth on the hook, the way he's in sync with the beat (although that's not exclusive to the monster), everything about it is incredible just like every other song on the lp2 stiw is at least five completely coherent songs in one. young thug can barely write one good song out of five mixtapes you people need to realize the gravity of what's happening here and appreciate the fact that slim is changing music forever and every other "lyricist", including you, is playing catch up
May 9, 2015 I love Stronger Than I Was Album definitely lost its replay value but when I hear some songs now I actually appreciate them more and more.
May 9, 2015 Half these points are you give weight to the album/song purely based on concept and intention rather than execution. That's delusion on your end, not everyone else underrating him. Monsters verses are lazy, stronger than I was is an even worse offender. Legacys hook is lazy. What about a------? Or what about how straightforward headlights is vs one of the only all around great tracks on the album, bad guy? Rap gods slap boxing hook is great? So far isn't too long in relation to the subject matter (I like the song I'm just trying to see if you're critical in any way) ? Survival isnt bottom tier?
May 9, 2015 detracting from the intention by nitpicking the execution of the most popular artist on earth is underrating him. sorry bro but it is the verses on the monster are not "lazy", he is dealing with multiple layers of complex emotions regarding himself and others, then in addition to that doing it in an ironically "poppy" fashion tying in with the hook yet still incorporating up to the minute rapping techniques stronger than I was is a fitting revisitation of hailie's song. em's singing is beautiful and the verse gets across every single message it's meant to don't even mention legacy to me a------ is a very overlooked track with incredible wordplay and commentary on the game with the "production". its title, placement on the tracklist and concept and are a play on the last line of twia before trss/berzerk kicks in nothing about headlights is straightforward. there's genuine emotion veiled in every bar and the imagery in the second verse is amazing. nate is incredible on the hook and that video is touching as f--- bad guy... well, he wasn't going to make stan 2 s--- the rap god hook which is only the weakest part of the song to you because it's the hook contains very heavy metaphor but the reference to xzibit's b---- please ii verse alone makes it more than great so far is a brilliant storytelling track, many members including @Notalius will tell you that but it's also an unprecedentedly candid glimpse at how celebrities feel about their fans, marshall being the one they chase the most, in reality and even more so in his head. the f---ing godly beat switches round out another gem bro survival accompanied a huge video game release. he saved the perfect third verse for the album and it was worth the wait. the instrumental is the lose yourself beat and he references dozens of previous releases throughout the track. rhyming is so on point it's scary and the recovery delivery never sounded better unlike you I don't need to be "critical" of shady and his decisions to appreciate the album and compare & contrast the tracks to each other and the rest of his work and come out of the experience wiser and happier
May 9, 2015 So you're opening and parting notes are "I don't need to be critical because I love shady with all my heart and appreciate his art like a true fan" That's basically what you said. You said intention is more important than execution because it's Em. That's just not how reviewing music or ANYTHING ever works. You think having an intentionally poppy hook is genius -- I think it needs to still be a good song for the ironic hook to hold any weight, and the verses aren't good enough. Survival being tied in with a video game release does nothing but show how different mmlp1 Em and mmlp2 are. One had integrity, they other just doesn't give a f--- anymore (and not in the cool way the first one birthed) Headlights being straightforward doesn't mean it isn't emotional. And being straightforward doesn't mean it's bad -- I just wanted to see if you'd agree with it being straightforward, despite its overall quality. And are serious about So Far? Do you only listen to post relapse Em? Like what the f---. You think so far gones look at how "celebrities feel about their fans" is UNPRECEDENTED? REALLY? You think no other artist has ever provided this kind of mind blowing insight? Dude, it's not even unprecedented by the SAME artist for f---s sake. But yeah I like the storytelling on it, and the production. But I'm not going to make redo curious assertions like the idea of expressing how a celebrity feels about his fans being "unprecedented" I mean seriously how can you believe that? What's the xzhibit reference on rap gods hook?
May 9, 2015 I bet Eminem would be legit creeped out and feel like his music was a bad thing if he knew how many people sit around analyzing his every move. Creepiest section on the internet is an Eminem section, anywhere.
May 9, 2015 holy s--- he can't be real huh? This statement is just LOADED with problems 1) How does "nitpicking the execution" detract from artistic intention? A: It doesn't. They're totally independent of one another. 2) Why is it nitpicking? Everything Narsh has said has been substantive. 3) Even if Eminem is the most popular artist on earth (I think that's up for debate, but it's not a debate I care to have), what does that have to do with anything? So a lot of people like his stuff, so he's immune to criticism? This is SO indicative of why people laugh at your posts - your logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny "Incorporating up to the minute rap techniques"? What the f--- are you even saying? The Monster isn't deep simply because you say it is. Does it deal with real, genuine emotions? Sure, probably. That doesn't mean it's well-executed. It's filled with the same easy, simplistic, 7th-grade-poetry-level writing we've seen from Em since he came back from his hiatus. Tired, pedantic "seize the moment" messaging tailor made for the Instagram captions of 15-year-old girls. "Fame made me a balloon, cuz my ego inflated!" Wow, really stunning and complex lol Did anyone say the verse didn't "get across the message"? No one is confused about what the song is about. Its messaging isn't in dispute. It's the quality. "Chumpions", "you must h8 me y do u d8 me", the "get back up and UNNNGGGHHHH"...it's consistently cringeworthy both lyrically and musically. "Em's singing is beautiful" Jesus, you overthink things. "Commentary on the game"? A play on The Way I Am? It's a s-----y, unimpressive attempt to capture the spirit of Slim Shady. It's saddled with bad production, a hook lacking in any melody (or appeal at all, really), and once again, bad writing. "Even Helen Keller knows life stinks!" Haha, get it? It's cuz she was blind and deaf, and life's so bad that even a blind and deaf person could notice! Eminem is so smart. "I'm about to set it on you like a mothafuckin' coasta!!" Is this a joke? Headlights is incredibly straightforward. That's about all it has going for it. It goes back to the Monster argument. Is there a genuine emotion there? Yeah, absolutely. Doesn't mean I'm gonna be able to keep a straight face when Marshall shouts "YOU'RE STILL BEAUTIFUL TO ME, CUZ YOU'RE MY MAHNGH" Really? A reference to an old verse by itself "makes it more than great"? Pretty low bar for greatness you've got there - might explain why you hold such a subpar album in such high esteem. THIS is where I f---ing lost it...So Far is a "brilliant storytelling track" Listen to a real storytelling track and get back to us. So Far is Em squandering a fun beat/sample to talk about picking his nose and taking a dump. Narsh already touched on this, but if you truly think this is "unprecedented" - dude, listen to more music. I have a feeling this isn't the first time someone's suggested that. So candid the way he suggested that if he didn't rap he'd be a, and I quote, "giant turd sack". The part where he discussed getting stomach gas from corn and mashed potatoes was so touching. When he said he'd make a sandwich with Welch and belch, I had tears in my eyes. Finally, an artist opened up about these issues. "Feel like I'm in an animal shelta...with all these.............pet peeves!" How is Survival being released with a video game impressive or significant to you at all lol "The instrumental is the Lose Yourself beat"? As someone who has heard both songs, I beg to differ "He references dozens of releases" - cool, how does that make it good? Takes no skill at all for someone to reference their own body of work. Again, your bar for success is insanely low. Survival has at least 2 or 3 of the worst lines of Em's career, I can't even bring myself to quote them. It's the worst song on an album with plenty of bad songs. You may be happy but you sure as s--- aren't wise
May 9, 2015 I don't know if @Swizz can comprehend the fact that people can like stuff that he doesn't like...
May 9, 2015 That's not what's going. Csw is listing fallacies as fact (so far's content is "unprecedented") and swizz providing reasonable pushback to those claims This has nothing to do with opinions, and swizz says so himself right out the gate Pls read rather than run away from long posts and claim its all "opinion!!" Especially when that isn't even what the convo was about. People can like what they want. Everyone agrees there.
May 9, 2015 Most of it is clearly based on opinion: "Survival has at least 2 or 3 of the worst lines of Em's career, I can't even bring myself to quote them. It's the worst song on an album with plenty of bad songs." "..it's consistently cringeworthy both lyrically and musically." "So candid the way he suggested that if he didn't rap he'd be a, and I quote, "giant turd sack". The part where he discussed getting stomach gas from corn and mashed potatoes was so touching. When he said he'd make a sandwich with Welch and belch, I had tears in my eyes. Finally, an artist opened up about these issues." "Doesn't mean I'm gonna be able to keep a straight face when Marshall shouts "YOU'RE STILL BEAUTIFUL TO ME, CUZ YOU'RE MY MAHNGH" " Not to mention he sprinkles these "facts" with insults. Doesn't make for a very "informative" nor pleasant post.
May 9, 2015 the fact that not a single drake song (let alone 7+ cds worth of them) is substantial enough to have a debate like this over only lends credence to my opinion tbh
May 9, 2015 How does something unrelated about a random artist lend credence to your opinion on Eminem? But these are all direct responses to csw's post And no where does swizz say csw can't like any of these things. You're allowed to admit a song is straightforward but still like it. You're allowed to admit an album has missteps but still like it. You don't need to reach for defenses for every aspect of modern day Eminem How is it an opinion to say that So Far's content isn't unprecedented?
May 9, 2015 Because your post is about MMLP2 being ba underrated genre shifting masterpiece you clown
