Jun 30, 2018 Not at all. Yeah sometimes gay men walking hand in hand get beat up by some insecure lowlifes, but that's individuals. I think my country (overall) isn't that homophobic. I also don't see why pple are bothered by it tbh. Ofc when I see 2 kissing heavily right in front of me in public places I kinda cringe but also when a straight couple does it.
Jun 30, 2018 Okay so the average black person in America gets a full high-school education, gets into college, leaves with a major....Then get arrested for not commiting any crimes or simply aren't hired for being black and are left to starve in the hood with their College Majors. Okay so american Capitalists has been waging war on the working man, and black people being a poorer demographic get's a harder demographic hit. Yeah no s--- sherlock, the fact that black people are more likely to be poor doesn't mean that legislation that hurt the poor is racist. Yeah america was totally a racist country many decades ago. So black people did nothing wrong....is NOT your argument is it? Yeah you break the law and get sent to prison. Sentencing is done based on jurisdiction which i hear in america is a state by state thing. But fine, judges are racist bigots and there's a rule somewhere telling the judges to sentence black people to longer terms. But people who commit crimes get sent to jail. An extra 2 years on the 20 year sentence means f--- all in the grand scheme of things. Unless you think people are leaving prison and becoming millionaires. Then giving back that money to the ghetto. But fine, the simple solution to this is not to commit crimes. Lol really? So something that affects the poor is racist because black communities have more poverty in general? That doesn't mean the intent was racism. Also what the f--- does this have to do with the US in 2018. Social mobility is a hallmark of the first world. f--- whatever happened 50 years ago. That doesn't refute my point. Criminals get sent to prison, this if a black man is in prison (chances are) it's his own f---ing fault. Same with a white person, asian? doesn't matter. That they get sent their longer might be a result of harsher sentencing practices in more problematic communities. If black communities have a crime problem and then are more likely to be targeted by these, then it's their own f---ing fault. But even if it's racism, it still would not refute my point, because black people aren't inherent criminals. Thus them being in prison is not a result of racism. It's a result of them breaking the law. I've already explained this. the only way for the system to not produce these results were if it became lenient towards black communities regarding legislation, because the fact of the matter is any legislation or circumstance that affects poor communities will affect the poorest demographics the hardest. You bringing up an arbitrary part of that demographic and then ascribing intent proves nothing. It's your racial lens seeing demographic trends, and not actual racist intent. And your racist lens ignore the individual, which is ironically more detrimental to the collective than you think.
Jun 30, 2018 Just ignore this clown, @Black Jesus. This kid literally thinks Milo, who is gay, Jewish and married to a black dude the next Hitler. You also have to understand he's virtual-signaling for his [censored] master WPG.
Jun 30, 2018 The average person, black or white, doesn't get a college degree. The average person in the US obtains a service industry job. Even as black peoples graduation rates rise, economic outcomes for graduates are becoming less sunny. If everyone has a college degree, they aren't as valuable. That often drives up competition which can drive down the wages employers have to dish out to attract qualified workers. Of course, a black person in a neglected urban school district still has a tougher time obtaining the education they need to reach secondary education. White people in these districts also suffer the same fate. Again, intersectionality. It's as true across class lines as racial ones. Hey, you finally understand instersectionality! But of course, just because the broadest factors work across racial lines doesn't mean this how all factors behave. For instance, minority groups are often more concentrated in urban areas. Given that they're likely to be less well off than their white counterparts, see all of the historical factors you seem to agree with which led to our current situation, they're more at risk for their neighborhoods to be gentrified or policed differently or gerrymandered politically to reduce their representation. To the original point, a factor that works across racial lines often just compounds alongside the ones that do. So while we are all being exploited by circumstance A, a disadvantaged minority is being exploited by circumstance A on top of circumstance B. History is the story of how we got to where we are now. Given the wealth disparity, incarceration disparity, representation disparity, etc you can clearly see there are issues left to be addressed. You're failing to differentiate the individual from the system. Again, there are various statistics about minorities who commit the same crimes being sentenced longer and the like. Entire books have been written on the subject. Once again, if we get intersectional, the "justice system" in this country is broken a million different ways on top of that. To pretend we have a sound system, which you have to do to make the argument you're making, is indefensible. So you're agreeing there are racist elements still present in our society which need to be addressed. Good. That's progress. So you've identified a racist problem, again I'm very proud of you, but here you've chosen to minimize it to justify not doing anything about it. Oh, and you've once against confused personal advice with systematic critique. I don't think even you truly think there aren't differences between a 2 year and 20 year sentence whether it be destroying black families, stunting their economic development, etc not to mention the personal infringement of liberty. It's really telling that you don't have any empathy in this instance No, I'm teaching you intersectionality because a lot of your assumptions rely on glorifying the current ways which we do things in this country. Also to play to your sympathies for other races and show you how struggles which effect smaller groups are just as worthwhile as the ones which affect you personally. Again, you've already identified "racist judges" or whatever your interpretation of the situation was. You've already agreed to one factor. You also agree that historically black peoples have been oppressed in this country though you still struggle to see how those prior conditions have played into current ones. The US is facing historic concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, our social mobility is terrible compared to other "first world" countries, production is rising while wages stagnate, the war on unionized labor countries with the Janus ruling as recent as last week, etc. So while you can say the stock market is reaching record numbers or corporate profits are off the charts, those aren't indicative of the state of the average household. I suspect you know this on a personal level. This is just ignorance as to how differently white and black neighborhoods are policed. Broken window policies, stop and frisk, willingness to use force, etc. "Black people in NYC are 8x more likely to be arrested for using marijuana than whites" is just one recent headline which makes the point for us. The outcomes prove the racial component. You can't hide behind class to obscure racial injustice in this country. So apparently you're just really concerned with me not calling these problems "racist". I mean, I think the outcomes clearly prove there are racial components to them, but even besides that, the label is unimportant to me. If you think there aren't racial discrepancies then solving them without taking that into account should work just fine. After all, I'm ultimately interested in remedying the injustice. I'm sure you are too and that race doesn't play any roll in your thought process. Of course, if your solutions don't work we might have to admit race is still a factor. I'm the one consistently emphasizing the distinction between the individual and the collective. You're the one blurring the line between them.
Jul 2, 2018 Run by democrats. Those racists. No it's entirely because of class demographics. You picking out race is just your own racist lens. This is the crux of the issue. The distinction of minority suggests that the majority is an opposition in some way, thus the interpretation is that the distinction between having black or white skin is somehow meaningful. And i agree that is! The question then is why? What makes it meaningful? My answer is that there are people who collectivize others based on race, and that this is a bad thing as it leads to racism. Thus a white policeman in a mostly black and extremely crime ridden area where the "black" culture might very well be a destructive one. Then he might start to collectivize people. If he was in a community where it wasn't almost entirely black people doing the vast majority of the crimes, or where black music isn't about gangstas and thugs, then do you think he would start thinking in terms of race? Stereotypes exist for a reason and are inevitable. The problem is that segregation causes cultural exclusion. So when black people are like "white people shouldn't appropriate rap music" then my response is : "yeah then get f----- when the cops s---t black people, because the 'white gangsta' isn't a thing for them to counter that 'black thug' stereotype". The solution to individual racism is to eliminate racial collectivism from society. So saying "im a black man" doesn't help unless you are flirting with a white woman about your d-ck size. This is why i say you being collectivist is counter productive. Upper class black people aren't being f---ing discriminated against by the system. Else Obama wouldn't be a thing. And intersectionality means racial advocacy, which is simply racism in another direction. Do you think that's a good thing to do? Highlighting race, then creating racial tension against white people for the sake of racial retribution. As if there won't be a backlash against that.......
Jul 2, 2018 Society isn't equal, and never should be (unless you believe in communism). What you are suggesting is racial retribution to 'level the playing field' on a racial basis using history as justification. Do i need to explain why that is a bad thing? There are reasons why people from different areas from different communities in different states with different racial balances and different cultures run by different officials with different rates of crime will have differences in sentencing. Then again what does this have to do with the life of a law abiding black man in america. Spanish town used to be the murder capital of the world. Jamaica around 10 years ago was one of the most dangerous places in the world, so forgive me for having very little sympathies for criminals. I've known too much r--- and murder victims in my lifetime, and had too many friends who were destroyed by drugs. Headlines are click-bait by definition. And that's a pretty ambiguous headline isn't it. But black and white neighborhoods are segregated, and black communities are more likely to have a crime problem. And you can give me a million reasons why they have a crime problem, but the fact is that they do. Racial disparities don't imply racism, as sexual disparities don't imply sexism. Unless you are in a place like saudi arabia, where the written laws openly discriminate against women.
Jul 2, 2018 Democrats have failed black peoples as well. Of course, the republicans are the ones disenfranchising them via redistricting and such. Party loyalty only works as a shield if you buy into a two party dynamic. Sorry. "You're the real racist" Okay, "black jesus". This is some Schrodinger s--- lol. So the act of acknowledging a racial component is the reason it exists? Not policy or material conditions, but some Jungian narrative that dictates outcomes? Sorry, but you can't recognize a disparity before one exists. Also, ignoring a disparity doesn't fix it. But, as we will see, you aren't interested in improving society at all. We've already pointed to various instances of black peoples being arrested and sentenced at higher rates than their white counterparts for the same crimes. Pretending only black people commit crimes in this country is very telling of your motive here. Again, cops are bad in general. They just also happen to be racist. You can attribute that to a myriad of nuances like not meeting diversity requirements, being trained poorly, propping up an institution that incarcerates more people per capita than anywhere on the planet, etc. There are books on books and studies upon studies on why our "justice" system is f-----. The reason we're having this conversation is that you seem to have a warped sense of reality in which our justice system isn't broken and doesn't particularly harm black communities, which again, according to the outcomes, it's plain as day they do. Idk how you hope to persuade anybody by going "nuh uh" or blaming it on rap music or any of the other weak, simple minded arguments you're putting forward. Yes, I too wish death upon and neglect the suffering of a race of people when they make fun of me for listening to Yelawolf. That's normal and healthy. There are not deep seated prejudices here lol. I'm glad we're at least reaching the real core of your motivations now. You've given up crafting persuasive arguments and are just outing yourself as a racist. The incoherence of that paragraph is simultaneously baffling and very, very telling. I don't even know how to address this argumentative diarrhea. First, just because stereotypes are inevitable doesn't mean we shouldn't combat them. Death is inevitable but you still see a doctor regularly. Being a fatalist about this issue is only something possible for the calloused and/or those completely insulated from the consequences. You're probably both. Secondly, I think anybody should be able to make rap music. That doesn't mean their music is good or that they can't still disrespect it. Post Malone shi--ing on the narrowness and superficial nature of rap music while making narrow and superficial rap music even as plenty of artists do it differently is ignorant as h--- and frankly does demean a huge, popular well of black culture. Still, nobody is saying he's not allowed to make rap music lol. Of course, you then go on to use this dreamt up idea of exclusion to justify ignoring black people dying which is just inexcusable and ignorant. Your flimsy reasoning that black gangster stereotypes only exist or only result in bad outcomes is because we don't give white people opportunities to have equally damaging stereotypes is child like. You're getting ahead of yourself proposing solutions when your basic understanding of the issue is so terrible. You're likely just whining about Black Lives Matter or something here when you mean "collectivism". To think it's detrimental for groups suffering similar problems to band together is to not understand what politics are. I also want integration, but I don't think telling black people to go f--- themselves is the answer like you do. Again, child like reasoning. How do you expect me to take your concern trolling seriously when you repeatedly out yourself as somebody that I shouldn't take seriously? Again, this is incoherent babbling. I don't see how it fits into your thought process at all. A rich black person doesn't erase poor black communities. Ignoring the race of those communities doesn't change their race. Recognizing disparity doesn't create disparity. Your scholarly advice for disadvantaged peoples not to band together and demand solutions isn't sincere. Maybe you're spouting propaganda you don't even understand, very probable, but nobody intent on fixing society thinks your approach or perspective is valuable. It's a screed used to justify greed and selfishness and inaction.
Jul 2, 2018 I'm saying that a rich black person makes the "Black" element a redundant and meaningless aspect for you to single out and focus on. And the rest of what im saying is tldr stop talking about race when tackling political issues because all you'll end up with is poor white people voting against you.
Jul 2, 2018 Again, just because you believe a fair society to be unobtainable doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for one. Again, you aren't interested in improving society. This is the mind state of a sad, angry child. Plenty of innocent black men have had decades of their life taken from them by the penitentiary system. White men too. Also, you can point to plenty of laws like the extreme sentencing of crack possession which only existed to disproportionately affect black peoples. Once again, you fail to recognize how your assessment of the individual and personal doesn't offer any useful solutions in righting systems that are broken. We've almost reached the point where you get to say black peoples are inherently murderous. I can tell you're building up steam. You've almost uncloaked. I grew up in a largely white community plagued by drug addiction. I have more empathy for the afflicted because of that. I didn't use it as an excuse to justify my hatred of other peoples or to neglect their suffering. My dude what Most criminals in this country, rapists/murderers/pedophiles/etc, are white people lol. Correlation doesn't always mean causation, but to pretend it never does is ignorant. [/quote] The language of a law doesn't have to mention racist to produce racist outcomes. You're tiring me. It's clear one of us reads about and cares about the suffering others while the other doesn't. There's really no conversation to be had here.
Jul 2, 2018 Society is in 2018 fair among racial lines. It's not among class lines. I'm saying socially engineered economic parity is a bad thing that will destroy any country.
Jul 2, 2018 No it doesn't. Lol, not all white people are stupid and callous. Don't speak for everyone.
Jul 2, 2018 This is because you don't read and are insulated from consequences. I'm sorry you don't realize how inaccurate your perception of the world is. I'm saying socially engineer economic disparity is a bad thing that will destroy any country.
Jul 2, 2018 Okay so if more black people are in prison that white people for x crimes right. It's because murder laws are racist? Sorry if the language of the law does not make any racial distinctions then it is by definition NOT RACIST. This is a concrete logical wall that your bs ideology can't break down. A better argument would be that the jurisdiction that executes these laws (on a state by state level) contains racism. But that's a rather damming indictment of the democrats isn't it. That the f---ing democrats are racist, because it's certainly not the f---ing federal government.
Jul 2, 2018 Economic disparity is self replicating. There doesn't need to be a government conspiracy to keep poor people poor. It's a consequence of the free market.
Jul 2, 2018 No, more white people are in prison and commit crimes. Black people are just more likely to be charged with and sentenced longer for the same crime. False. What, that outcomes should dictate how we approach an issue? You're over here worrying about communism when our country is a capitalist hellhole. Some of us tend to focus on actual problems instead of using the possibility of future problems to dissuade changing anything. I'm not a democrat, and demcorats aren't the only racists. You're an idiot.
Jul 2, 2018 Speak better. Except you can point to the TARP bailouts, corporate welfare, monopolization, and a million other examples of the government propping up the disparity you attribute to a "free market". The idea of a free market in this country is just another instance of propaganda to dissuade people from changing anything on a systematic/political level. You're a useful idiot to billionaires.
