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  1. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Nov 29, 2017
    I don't think Kanye is quite good enough as an out-and-out rapper to be any sort of consensus pick as the greatest. He's still good enough to be one of the genre's best artists ever but not quite good enough to be the consensus greatest, you know? At least to me.
     
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  2. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

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    I feel like Kanye is the easiest to defend just looking at his body of work and consistency in reinventing his sound.
     
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  3. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Nov 29, 2017
    Yeah I'd say it's pretty easy to make the argument that Jay is the best of all time. He's got classics in every decade since the 90s even if there are a couple duds.

    His last project was Idlewild, but it's true he's killed every feature since then
     
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    Big Dangerous World Heavyweight Champion

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    That'll be changing soon
     
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    Bourbon Ben Mad pooper

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    Never had a bad verse,
    A part of 4 classics
    Has renegaded everyone including jay z
    Jumpstarted the south reign on hip hop
    Influenced a ton of people
    Only rap act to win Aoty at grammys
     
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  6. M Solo
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    M Solo Fresh Outta London

    Nov 30, 2017
    I read the first few pages and just skipped to the end or else I'd have liked every @WPG post in here.

    Pac is my absolute favorite rapper of all-time but objectively Jay is the GOAT for all the reasons that have already been mentioned and the fact that he f---ing destroyed a prime 2001 Eminem on a track. Like, obliterated.

    In all seriousness WPG would you rank GKMC ahead of The Blueprint or The Black Album?
     
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  7. Worm
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    Worm Big Perm Big Worm

    Nov 30, 2017
    Well you're right then. No way a guy with the name "Phillmatic" would be bias when it comes to favoring Nas
     
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  8. Michael Myers
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    Nov 29, 2017
    Good argument!
     
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  9. Worm
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    Worm Big Perm Big Worm

    Nov 29, 2017
    Nas hasn't been as close as consistent as Jay career wise.
     
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  10. Winter
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    Winter Super Comfy

    Nov 29, 2017
    How is Documentary influential? I like the album but Game was using a sound that already existed, it was an homage to old school west coast s---

    No f---ing way is it more important than 808s
     
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  11. Trackz
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    Trackz BARCODE

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    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Michael Myers
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    Honestly I'll take this as a compliment.

    I have to deal with confrontations and discussions at work on a daily basis. And in 90% of the cases both sides are right in their own way because they look at things from different perspectives. Of course I will agree with one side more but if I try to place myself into the other I can see what they mean.

    I honestly think that reflects my posting as well. More people said that I 'avoid' confrontations and try to please everyone but that's not the the case at all. I truly believe that everyone looks at things based on their own experience/view and I try to respect that as much as possible. To an extent obviously lol.

    But yeah call me passive agressive or whatever, I don't feel like arguing opinions acting like mine means more than others. Discussing, fine. Arguing, I don't feel like that at all.
     
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  13. Michael Myers
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    I started really listening to rap in 2007 (I was 15). I went back listening to classics and loved them. But I can also appreciate future etc. I truly fail to understand why people can't enjoy both older rap and modern day. Both are great in their own way imo
     
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    And if I ain't better than BIG, I'm the closest one

    :hov2:
     
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  15. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Nov 29, 2017
    are you f---ing kidding me
     
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    Oldboy

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    I once made koolo top 50 movies in SL and had 12 angry men as fourth

    Im movie buff
     
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    Bourbon Ben Mad pooper

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  18. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

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    Well, as Ben said it's hard to find a close analogy cuz we're comparing one genre that primarily exists in one country that's been around for 40 years to a whole medium that's been around for 100 in many countries. But the reason why my gut said 'no' is because I don't think a serious rap critic would scoff at MBDTF in the top 25 but a serious film critic would scoff at shawshank in a top 25 list.

    basically: MBDTF, I would say, is in the upper echelon of rap. shawshank is not in the upper echelon of film. but they're definitely both common mainstream picks for #1 by people with a limited scope on their respective medium/genre.
     
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  19. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    I mean, this is not really how I would describe Citizen Kane or Illmatic lol
     
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  20. Fazers
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    Fazers

    Nov 29, 2017
    jay had the better verses on renegade
     
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