Nov 29, 2017 My argument for 808s not being more influential than the documentary? For starters, the impact is exaggerated.
Nov 29, 2017 Well things do change when you don't have the greatest producer in rap helping you out all the way through. Water is wet.
Nov 29, 2017 No, it's not. 808s' impact can be seen in 80% of hip hop today, mostly the dominant, popular styles
Nov 29, 2017 Fine, don't hear it from me, hear it from Joey Bada$$, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler, The Creator, Capital STEEZ, Mos Def, Ghostface Killah, Jay Electronica, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Brother Ali, Danny Brown, Bishop Nehru, and many more All of them have praised DOOM and Madvillainy. Madvillainy influenced the entire underground scene AND some of your favourite rappers listed above
Nov 29, 2017 I was thinking about this the other day. JayZ is the greatest, of all time. His only competition is kanye, and, if he dkss a good job on revival, Eminem.
Nov 29, 2017 Can't really argue against that, only person coming close to Jay in terms of rapping ability been dead for 20 years
Nov 29, 2017 How is Documentary influential? I like the album but Game was using a sound that already existed, it was an homage to old school west coast s--- No f---ing way is it more important than 808s
Nov 29, 2017 No it can't lol. Praising an album doesn't mean it's that influential. And underground influence isn't big. Hence the word underground. The Documentary influenced the west coast scene and d--- near made the west coast relevant in rap during the mid-late 00s solely because of 1 rapper
Nov 29, 2017 This is literally the worst way to look at it. Lmfao what? So a rap album can't be influential if it doesn't have a distinct sound? Doggystyle and the chronic are d--- near identical in terms of sound and how the albums were structured. Yall extend way too much impact to 808s. Outside 5-6 artists, that's the influence. Everything that came after that was because of those artists. Stop crediting Kanye with influencing people because people influenced by him influenced others.
Nov 29, 2017 As for the rappers that it influenced: Joey Bada$$, Capital STEEZ, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler, The Creator, Lupe Fiasco, Danny Brown, and Bishop Nehru Is that enough for you, or should I name some more?
Nov 29, 2017 you forgot Drake. There'd probably be no Drake without 808's. The Game used Dre's beats that made the west coast famous in the 90s and had to have an appearance on almost every track...lol at that being influential
Nov 29, 2017 And most of those rappers aren't that noteworthy + it didn't really impact rap at the time, or later on which is why I said it wasn't THAT influential. Did I say it wasn't influential?
Nov 29, 2017 I know, I'm talking about Madvillainy though, not 808's. 808's is extremely influential in it's own right
Nov 29, 2017 ALL of these rappers are noteworthy, and it DID impact rap at the time. Did I not mention Lupe Fiasco? Plus the entire underground scene which it impacted at the time which you're choosing to ignore for some reason
Nov 29, 2017 It didn't impact rap significantly at the time lol. People didn't care about that album in 04 stop it. Are you seriious right now? All of those rappers are noteworthy? Yeah, ur clearly biased.
