J. Cole Nation: Chat Thread

Started by Mike Tyson, Dec 23, 2014, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Criza Malone Hamilton
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    Criza Malone Hamilton Check the birthdate. n*gga you ain't Ric Flair

    Jan 20, 2015
    Just watched selma. :rip: to the real ones. s--- had me hot during some parts in the movie. Making me wanna be a advocate for Mexicans and s--- now :thankful:
     
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  2. CarolinaFiend
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    CarolinaFiend nc to ny

    Jan 20, 2015
    thinking of space gives me hope
    it's a weird alone type of feeling i get, thinking of space
    but it makes me feel at home
    the crazy thing about space is, you know, there is no denying that we aren't alone
    we cant be alone
    we're just one galaxy among millions of other ones

    but sometimes i have dreams, what i see is,
    like our galaxy and solar system and planet is all what is right now right? its just one unique place
    and all the other galaxies probably have another planet that is the home to other species with random planets orbiting it
    but in my dreams
    i go to other galaxies and find the same exact planets with the same exact thing going on in it as ours
    and eventually the camera zooms out and every galaxy is just a repeat of ours and we all are living in our own illusion and the illusion just keeps multiplying itself to everybody, to every planet, to every galaxy, to the whole universe, and i see one creator creating it all through a huge pot and its finger just keeps spinning his finger around the pot, turning the illusion back around, never ending
    why is the creator doing this? (what im thinking in my dream)
    and thats when i realize that we are alone (in my dream)
    but then i wake up from the nightmare and try to figure out whats real and whats not
    thats the only time space frightens me


    why does it frighten you?
     
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  3. Deadpool
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    Jan 20, 2015
    d--- that's deep b :ucrazy:
     
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  4. Rowney
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    Jan 20, 2015
    Been a minute. Finally made the transition over from JCN... better late than never lol

    Found this on rapgenius, kinda long af (pause) but interesting take on the soulful Jan. 28th. Including mentions of Kendrick's control & the rap game:

    "think Cole makes multiple references to Kendrick’s “Control” verse in this song. He’s already addressed it a few times directly and indirectly (TKO remix and May the Bitter Man Win), but since this is the first album-track Cole has put out since “Control” was released in August of last year, it makes sense that he would address it here. It was a moment that shook the rap game and led to both controversy and misconception. Cole first references this in the hook — “don’t let ‘em take control.” As it applies within the hook, this is to be interpreted as Cole looking back and warning himself not to let the fans control or influence his music. This is a theme Cole referenced throughout all of Born Sinner, and continues here. With regards to Kendrick, Cole not only refers directly to “Control” here, but he is also thinking back to when fans jumped ship and hopped on the K. Dot bandwagon after the release of GKMC and then “Control.” As Cole pointed out in “May the Bitter Man Win” this was something that led to much insecurity for him, and he was likely tempted to change his music in order to re-gain his seat as the king of the rap game. Of course, Cole makes clear throughout the album that he has reclaimed the seat and the crown, and proclaims that moving forward, there “ain’t gon’ be no more kings” in “Fire Squad.” This is applicable in the lines “the bigger we get the more likely egos collide/ it’s just physics, please, let’s put our egos aside/ you my nggas, and should our worst tendencies/ turn us into enemies/ I hope that we remember these/ nights fulla Hennessy.” He is saying, not only to Kendrick, but to all his contemporaries, that as much as their pride and lust for fame may cause them to turn on each other, he hopes in the end that they can come together as brothers. This plays right into the theme of the album — that everyone should drop their petty desires and embrace love as the only true way to find happiness. Of course, he throws in a subtle reminder to his fellow rappers that he is the one who re-opened the door for real and genuine lyricism — “I brought you nggas with me cuz I love you like my brothers.” (Similar to in “Apparently” when he says, “waiting on thanks from a few, cuz without me you wouldn’t exist) Later in the verse Cole makes another reference to "Control” when he calls himself “New York’s finest.” Just as Kendrick proclaimed he was “king of New York” and “king of the coast” Cole says in this song that he is both Carolina’s and New York’s finest — that his influence is not limited to only his hometown, but it stretches to the hip hop capital of the world. The next reference Cole makes is when he says “I climb it and set the bar so high that you gotta get Obama to force the air force to find it.” In “Control,” Kendrick initiates the extended metaphor at the end of his verse with, “what is competition? I’m tryna set the bar high/ who’s tryna jump and get it? you are better off tryna sky dive/ out the exit window of five G5s” Cole is saying that he is going to raise the bar from where Kendrick set it. Forget the “five G5s” in Kendrick’s verse, Cole will set the bar so high that Obama will need to get involved in order to find it. Similar to how Kendrick describes the difficulty of reaching that bar in his verse, Cole follow’s that line with a dismissal — “never mind it, you’ll never reach that.” The final reference Cole makes to Control is the most obvious one — “you might be Drizzy Drake, or Kendrick Lamar/ but check the birth date n*gga, you ain’t the God.” While Cole does speak in different perspectives throughout the album to illustrate the various desires he faced in his life — different things he thought would make him happy — he does make it clear that despite his realization that he should put those desires aside and appreciate what he has, he was and IS the greatest rapper alive. He claims that title while reflecting on his journey to where his is now, and quickly dismisses it. By the end of the album, Cole is saying that while in his mind he is most certainly the king of rap, he will no longer seek external validation for that claim. As he says in “Note to Self,” no matter what critics say about him from now on, he is content with the work he has put out, and he will continue to make music that spreads love and makes him happy. In his mind, that freedom from societal expectations is what makes him the greatest rapper alive."


    *The inclusion of "shoutouts" of rappers in verse 3 shud leave little doubt that Cole had "control" in mind when recording this song*

    Jan. 28 is just :wayne2: between that production and those verses mann (1st 2 easily in consideration for top 5 on album btw) :wow5:

    Song is definition of matured Cole
     
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  5. Bodie
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    Jan 20, 2015
    This is a j Cole forum. Get your a--- out of here if you're gonna be talkin bout your picture. I reported your thirsty a--- for this. Smh you thirstier than the guys on here :camby:
     
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  6. Bodie
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    Jan 20, 2015
    This is beautiful
     
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  7. Mike Tyson
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    Jan 20, 2015
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  8. BitchezKnow
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    Jan 20, 2015
    :laff::laff:Yo, Curtis Jackson is a loose cannon!
     
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  9. Rowney
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    Jan 20, 2015
    And what yall think about doing some type of voteoff for best verses on FHD?
     
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  10. Bodie
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    Jan 20, 2015
    January 28 is the best intro so far. Especially after that explanation. How the h--- did he even find that song that he sampled. Musta been eatin sushi at a restaurant :hovcry:

     
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    Jan 20, 2015
    This gif makes me happy idk
     
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  12. Rowney
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    Jan 20, 2015
    Lmao dude glided over so confident only to be swerved and left with that stupid a--- grin on his face



    :laff: Gets me everytime bro
     
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  13. Mike Tyson
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    Jan 20, 2015
    Lol f--- it sucks for 50, he didn't know she was preoccupied trying to locate whoever she was there to interview.

    He handled it as best he could :clap:
     
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  14. Mike Tyson
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    Jan 20, 2015
    50 is hilarious tho, what the f--- was he doing there :laff:

    rich n----s being rich n----s
     
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  15. Mike Tyson
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    Jan 20, 2015
    We aren't the only ones who s--- on Cole haha :denzel:

    http://www.thecoli.com/threads/j-cole-quotables-thread.281509/
     
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  16. Disclosure
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    Disclosure R&B Stan

    Jan 20, 2015
    That banana peel this back line truly is WOAT


    Invite that forum here where it's a better home, whole site looks poverty as f---
     
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  17. Bodie
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    Jan 20, 2015
    Hahahaha. I honestly don't think the banana nor the hotdog line were bad :jordan: they're not the best punchlines or anything but just another line.
     
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  18. krowned
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    Jan 20, 2015
    It's fascinating & I love learning more/fantasizing about what's out there, but it's scary how little we really know about what's out there. Imagine being an astronaut. I'd be bugging out there lol. Everything is out of your control and you feel so small. I'd be questioning everything and I already do that too much as it is. It's a love/hate relationship. I feel the same way about the ocean. I love the ocean, but it also makes me uneasy.
     
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  19. krowned
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    Jan 20, 2015
    & that's exactly why it frightens me! I love the curious feeling it gives me, but when I sit with my thoughts too long it can be unsettling. Outer space does make me feel limitless though, I do love that.
     
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  20. Bliss
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    Bliss I don't have any bitches

    Jan 20, 2015
    Both Lupe and Joey dropped great f---ing albums. Especially Lupe, I f---ing love what I've heard in the first 2 listens. Wow, he's back.
     
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