Aug 11, 2016

well he only has to pay the labels if the artist request it or the lable mandates it. artists do favors for each other all the time. chance was on that JB song a few years ago and i'm sure he didn't charge an upfront fee so I would guess JB is just returning the favor

 

Aug 11, 2016

But that's literally exactly what happened. He grinded and it just didn't take as long. Plus chance is better at 22 than Cole, Drake, Or Kendrick imo. So he got an early start. And Drake was still bigger during TML than Chance is right now (Sprite commercial) but chance moves completely different from these dudes. Watch the Zane Lowe interview, he knows how the industry works too well, he's had to learn by being independent and knowing the ins and outs rather than relying on a major. He's built connections by learning from his father who's an influential politician in Chicago, which got him a boost early on. Also he probably seeks these type of opportunities and has more freedom to do it because there are no label restrictions. I get that it's easy to call him a plant because we've never seen anything like this before but I could just as easily make the claim that Drake singles get more of an unfair push by labels or that he has some sort of outside advantage simply because we haven't seen hit making on his level. But I don't think that would be fair because people break new ground.

 

Aug 11, 2016

Most underrated project in recent memory for real. Bas Nation

 

Aug 11, 2016

He's got a 700 billion dollar company behind him, of course he knows how the industry works. Dude was 20 years old, hardly anyone had heard of him and all the sudden he's opening for Eminem, the biggest rapper of all time.

 

Aug 11, 2016

@Kold check this out. Explains what I'm trying to say a lot better than I can.

http://djbooth.net/news/entry/indie-rapper-secretly-signed-major-label

 

Aug 11, 2016

He also started off touring with Bino off 10 Day and barely no one knew he who he was. Before that he was doing shows for free in Chicago. Just because he blew like he did doesn't mean it happened overnight. Also even that article said they've not heard any whispers about a deal. Also he had to cut out a bunch of songs for coloring book because majors didn't want so many of their artists doing features for free, which is a pretty clear indication he doesn't have a major behind him or that wouldn't be a problem. But it is what it is. I just don't think he's anymore of a plant then any of these other dudes.

 

Aug 11, 2016

The term indie has changed so much nowadays anyway. You really don't even need a major label, especially if you can get a deal with Apple.

 

Aug 11, 2016

my last thoughts on this. but to me, industry plan is a negative term. it's something to suggest that an artist's success doesn't match their talent or work put in. This apple thing may be a thing now but it def wasn't a thing in 2013 when chance was touring for eminem. he only released one of the greatest mixtapes ever 6 months before that tour started. so the term just doesn't fit. he didn't blow up overnight like a fetty wap, trinidad james or desiigner off the strength of one track

 

Aug 11, 2016

Yeah I didn't want it to come off as negative because like I said I'm a fan of Chance's. I really don't care how or why he came to be where he's at because he's obviously super talented and works hard.

 

Aug 11, 2016

EarthGang Explains How A Nine Minute Posse Cut Became J. Cole's "Jermaine's Interlude"

http://genius.com/a/earthgang-expla...osse-cut-became-j-cole-s-jermaine-s-interlude

 

Aug 11, 2016

this is a dope that these dudes are cool with it but it def seems like Cole just took their record from them

 

Aug 11, 2016

Nah he definitely did, but its a good look for them so I'm sure it didn't hurt.

 

Aug 11, 2016

As @Poohdini said, a plant is when the fans feel like it's a grass root movement even though it's not one.

That said, I don't think Chance was. What must've helped though is that he had a good and well connected publicist who also worked with Bino when he dropped acid rap. They say he took him on for free after seeing him at SXSW. He also had Cara Lewis as an agent, who was working for CAA and was taking care of Ye and Em at the time. Might have paid a fee for it but I don't think his whole credibility as an indy artist should be questioned because of that. Some people invest in college, save up/take out loans to start a company, that's what he chose to put his resources in and it ended up paying off.

That said, not only did all those artists have to approve of his talent (highly doubt Em would sacrifice having a dope opener if he didn't see something), but celebrity endorsements are worth little if you don't have the quality to back it up because Chance would've still been nowhere without the fans, and there's too many examples of artists being signed to superstars who never end up making it. No label meant he didn't get any radio play until this year and he relied on word of mouth to build stuff up (until this year when he got on Ye's project but he also helped with his whole album.)

Fast forward to this year it makes so much sense for all these companies to make deals with him. He's poppin (uber driver last night was telling me that everyone that touches the aux cord in his car plays Chance), has a ride or die fan base that's paying attention, and is cheaper because there are less middlemen. If people didn't like the music he would've got none of that, the people weren't forced to like any of his songs by hearing it a million times on the radio before it could be determined whether or not it resonates with them.

 

Aug 11, 2016

"You don't want no problems, want no problems with me... "

what a trash a--- song b

 

Aug 11, 2016

So Cole was high while recording that song

Explains it

Maybe his next album is just him high, spilling his thoughts

 

Aug 11, 2016

Drake verse on No Shopping > Jermaine's Interlude & Holy Key

Keep blessing us Papi

 

Aug 11, 2016

P3 dropping tomorrow, hope PND delivers this time. Last project was meh.

 

Aug 11, 2016

Not Nas Album Done though

 

Aug 11, 2016

kinda agree. i like the project but i think it was just too many tracks for PND to hold my attention. looking at the tracklist (16 songs), it looks like a repeat of P2

 

Aug 11, 2016

I'ma listen tonight don't think I can wait til tmrw.