Apr 18, 2017

Cause some n----s just dont like his s---. (I like certain songs) if we not fans, we can't fake it. I dont get how Y'all act like its impossible for some ppl not to not like his music.

Plus the media d-ck ride the h--- out of him, s--- annoying af. They forcing this n-----. Rosenberg called this n----- the greatest, s--- ridiculous.

Plus the album was average af, and ppl praising it like it is the best thing since slice bread.

 

Apr 18, 2017

But to me that doesn't matter. At the end of the day, when n----s are debating who's the greatest emcee, I don't think we are gonna say, "he gets the edge because he appeals to white bloggers and Grammys. Illmatic never did that." I dont really care about that part of the equation. Kendrick one of the greatest simply because of the body of work and nothing else. Only things we should be debating are the quality of the body of works and their impact. Everything else is unneccessary to the conversation. Thats why nobody gives af that Illmatic didn't win a grammy (I don't think it could) or that Pac doesn't have that many.

 

Apr 18, 2017

It's more so a response to when most of us s--- on Cole I think. Ppl still cling to the idea that Cole the rap savior

 

Apr 18, 2017

Don't put me in that list bruh. I was just making fun of Kendrick's fans obsession with Metacritic. Honestly to me Kendrick possibly top 5 greatest to ever do it.

 

Apr 18, 2017

 

Apr 18, 2017

Butler >>> everybody on that bench besides AD

 

Apr 18, 2017

not sure about the "cause anyone can do it" part tho ...

the big artists keep topping each other (Drake, etc.) but its a select few

 

Apr 18, 2017

The diff is illmatic had ridiculous reviews from every blog. It was acclaimed world wide. I don't think reviews are the end all be all but they most definitely hold some weight. How do you measure quality of work? There's public reception, critical acclaim, awards, sales etc. All I'm saying is you can't disregard reviews completely. Any time someone brings up a movie the way they validate their opinion is by saying it has a certain score on rotten tomatoes or IMDb or meta. In music, lots of ppl will say the album got great reviews, you should check it out. To say reviews have no meaning isn't fair imo.

 

Apr 18, 2017

And Rondo and Wade apparently are back in their primes.

 

Apr 18, 2017

I said the big artist..

I think its basically cause each year streaming gets bigger, so with each release from artist like drake, Kendrick, rihanna, cole , Beyonce , etc. They gon keep breaking records and s---. (Album sales wise)

Singles tho, any well known artist can debut High, and peak high on the charts now

 

Apr 18, 2017

Bulls ain't lost a game on TNT since like 2013 or 14

 

Apr 18, 2017

Sup fam.

The d--- album is pretty good, I love the singing and the raps. But is this album a classic?, I would say no. Does it add to his status in rap history, h--- yeah. GKMC is a classic and will always be one, and that in itself is incredibly hard to get even 1 classic project out.

 

Apr 18, 2017

Reviews are just an intepretation of art. I'm not saying they are worthless, whatsoever, but they are just opinion pieces on art and should be appreciated as such and nothing more. Its honestly like me saying, well "Lebron got more bleacherreport article praise than Durant so he must be the better" rather than analyzing their performances for myself. Thats the problem with this review culture. We are letting people dictate greatness for us rather than dictating it for ourselves. Again sales actually has nothing to do with the debate about QUALITY and thus has nothing to do with the argument about who is the best. Telefone by Noname didn't sell anything and was one of the best albums of last year and I don't care how much Nicki sells, Noname is the best female rappers alive imo.

In the movie industry, they've positioned it so rotten tomatoes can actually make s--- movies flop and s--- and imo thats a problem in itself. Regardless, you can say what you want about reviews, but I have never in real life heard anyone say, "bro you should check out this new K. Dot album. It is 90+ on metacritic." In real life people are like, "yo I heard More life and its fire you should check it out." and thats the way it should be. And if we are debating top 5 alive and someone brings up reviews, I'm personally out of the conversation. Thats just my piece.

 

Apr 18, 2017

i personally refer ppl irl to big ghost reviews wen they tell me j cole is good

 

Apr 18, 2017

@Kold you're forgetting that reviews live on. People consuming music so fast and forgetting about it. What about when our kids grow up and wanna listen to the s--- we did? can't just rely on word of mouth. They're gonna be looking at "best of lists" based off reviews
But yes, at the moment ain't nobody really thinking about that when listening

 

Apr 18, 2017

But, are reviews not part of the equation? Noname got phenomenal reviews as well. It's very rare that you'll find a really really good album that got poor reviews. I'm just sayin that when someone is in a debate about top 5 there's way too much subjectivity involved. Things like awards, critical acclaim, genre influence, and impact help separate certain artists from others. Otherwise we'd just run in circles and have an endless debate because you can argue that you like someone better. We don't think lebrons great because of articles we look at his championships, his mvps, his stats etc. There's not really an objective category for music if we're excluding things like Grammys and year-end lists. Is a review by some white dude sitting in his basement more relevant than anyone else's opinion? No. Are 30 reviews from 30 major publications relevant? I'd think so. Anyways, my point is that reviews and accolades are definitely part of the equation. They serve as extra validation to a claim imo.

 

Apr 19, 2017

Thats a great point and I don't want to get it mixed up, those lists can hold a lot of weight. And again, the people on a lot of the best of lists had huge indelible impacts and changed the landscape of music, so its eay to make those statements based on the impact of their music in hindsight. But I'm especially talking about reviews of the moment which is what metacritic is based on. Also, even with best of lists, I take with a grain of salt. There's a lot of stuff thats on best-ever lists that I personally don't enjoy, like, or think is as good as stuff that never gets recogniton. Thats why I do my best to look up great underground projects that hardly get mentioned. Again, my point is never that reviews are not important in their own right or can't be used to inform people about things and music they wouldn't know about. My problem is using reviews as an argument for greatness rather than critically thinking as a consumer. I should be able to say why I think this artist is great because of the music rather than relying on the idea of an album being praised = its better.

 

Apr 19, 2017

I completely understand your point. And I guess we'll just agree to disagree and to a degree I definitely agree with you. And I'm not even saying the court of public opinion doesn't matter at all. Noname's project is great and I don't even know whether her metacritic score is and that is my point. I decided that all for myself. GRODT has a worse than review than Born Sinner and I think its one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time. Art is better furthered imo when consumers are judging subjective art for themselves rather than relying on sheep opinions. My only point is people should be critically thinking for themselves and placing more importance on reviews than is necessary gives them a reason to rely on other people's opinions.. Sports is noy a good example like you stated because now we are talking about objective measures. If reviews and accolades are part of the equation for you, I respect that. I respect that reviews hold some importance on a cultural scale. I understand the cultural importance of Grammys. But my point is on an individual level, I do not believe I should rank artists based on those things. I don't think Taylor Swift is any better than J. Cole because she has more Grammys, more critical acclaim, and will most likely be on more year end lists in the future than Cole. I don't believe that factors into the debate on a personal level because I can examine the music for myself. Lastly, on another note, I don't believe in giving extra weight to a Grammy organization that continues to deny black artist grammys AOTY awards while benefiting from them pushing the culture forward, all the while continuing to use them for performances while not giving them the credit they deserve.

 

Apr 19, 2017

I guess I can only speak for myself and the people around me, but I dont think reviews in music matter to most of the people. If I wasnt on this forum I probably wouldnt even know what Metacrit was. For me it is more like word of mouth. "This album is great you, should check it out". It could also be a Social or culture thing. I dont think people in Europe really care about stuff like that. I could be wrong tho, but its what I get from my surrounding.

 

Apr 19, 2017

He should sell 1.5 milli first week every album then