Sign Up / Log In

reply to thread

Thread Tools

J. Cole Nation: Chat Thread

Started by Mike Tyson, Dec 23, 2014, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Spartan23R
    Posts: 1,421
    Likes: 3,025
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Spartan23R Set of horns and a halo

    Feb 4, 2022
    I thought the song was trash, but after seeing the video, I like it
     
    #69561
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    May 1, 2025
  2. Pazuzu
    Posts: 8,391
    Likes: 17,197
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Pazuzu

    Feb 4, 2022
     
    #69562
    3
    Ordinary Joel, King Simba and NoRoleModelz like this.
    3
    Ordinary Joel, King Simba and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  3. vinny ice
    Posts: 608
    Likes: 1,772
    Joined: Dec 2, 2016
    Location: brooklyn, ny

    vinny ice

    Feb 4, 2022
    I’m coming around on it. Bet I love it within a couple weeks.
     
    #69563
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  4. vinny ice
    Posts: 608
    Likes: 1,772
    Joined: Dec 2, 2016
    Location: brooklyn, ny

    vinny ice

    Feb 4, 2022
    Ya, nah, this song is fire and will be a hit. If this came out before Johnny Ps Caddy I think it would hit different. Give it some time.
     
    #69564
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  5. Pazuzu
    Posts: 8,391
    Likes: 17,197
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Pazuzu

    Feb 4, 2022
    s--- talkin Cole is dope

     
    #69565
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  6. King Simba
    Posts: 1,960
    Likes: 4,260
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    King Simba

    Feb 5, 2022
     
    #69566
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  7. GKBS
    Posts: 1,729
    Likes: 3,839
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    GKBS

    Feb 6, 2022
    OMG I remembering being soooo hype of this freestyle!! It’s amazing what banging production does for a verse, Cole World to this day could of been seen as one of Cole’s most popular songs.
     
    #69567
    4
    King Simba, Ordinary Joel, NoRoleModelz and 1 other person like this.
    4
    King Simba, Ordinary Joel, NoRoleModelz and 1 other person like this.
    May 1, 2025
  8. MsGrayJCN23
    Posts: 193
    Likes: 349
    Joined: Jul 24, 2020

    MsGrayJCN23

    Feb 6, 2022
    I miss radio Cole
     
    #69568
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  9. Pazuzu
    Posts: 8,391
    Likes: 17,197
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Pazuzu

    Feb 7, 2022
    I like Pusha but he needs to expand his content. Yuugh!

     
    #69569
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    May 1, 2025
  10. Pazuzu
    Posts: 8,391
    Likes: 17,197
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Pazuzu

    Feb 7, 2022
    Imagine if Pusha and Gibbs reponded to Cole’s drug and guns line. A pissed off Cole has the capability to red dot em both on diss tracks. s--- ain’t gonna happen. Just saying if it went down Cole would go at em both hard. What do they got on him? He’s boring and soft? He charged $1 for concerts? Lol Cole too good of a guy to have dirt on. And at least Cole doesn’t have repetitive content like those two.
     
    #69570
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    May 1, 2025
  11. Pazuzu
    Posts: 8,391
    Likes: 17,197
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014

    Pazuzu

    Feb 7, 2022
    Hmmm

     
    #69571
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    1
    Ordinary Joel likes this.
    May 1, 2025
  12. Uncle Luke
    Posts: 7,513
    Likes: 12,608
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014
    Location: Rocky Mount metro, NC

    Uncle Luke

    Feb 7, 2022
    T.I oldest son

     
    #69572
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    May 1, 2025
  13. hargydon
    Posts: 8,719
    Likes: 27,607
    Joined: Oct 7, 2016

    hargydon No investigation, no right to speak

    Feb 8, 2022
    Nice to see 4 Your Eyez Only get the love it deserves. Great concept album that I think went over a lot of people’s heads.
     
    #69573
    4
    Equis, Uncle Luke, NoRoleModelz and 1 other person like this.
    4
    Equis, Uncle Luke, NoRoleModelz and 1 other person like this.
    May 1, 2025
  14. NoRoleModelz
    Posts: 1,059
    Likes: 2,143
    Joined: Jan 28, 2015

    NoRoleModelz

    Feb 8, 2022


    IB replied too haha
     
    #69574
    2
    Ordinary Joel and hargydon like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and hargydon like this.
    May 1, 2025
  15. vinny ice
    Posts: 608
    Likes: 1,772
    Joined: Dec 2, 2016
    Location: brooklyn, ny

    vinny ice

    Feb 8, 2022
    I’ll bite on this one. Every album he’s put out since is better than BS. Here’s why:

    Cole as an artist: Cole and Ib have both said on record, multiple times, that Cole was lost during this period. That he was depressed, not himself. Naturally, this is around the same time as the infamous Versace sweater incident. I like this about BS, tbh, now that he has a big catalogue. It’s a snapshot of that time. But all the things that make J Cole, J Cole, “Touch the people how you did like before,” were missing. Again, makes it a nice addition to the catalogue but it doesn’t represent Cole as an artist, so how could it be the best?

    Sonics: Is there any debating this? Mez has gotten way better as an engineer. Coles mastery of the studio and mix are leaps and bounds better than before. Even the leaps he takes on 4YEO, which people consider to be more boring than BS, are massive. Different cadences, different flows, vocal effects, panning vocals and instruments, layering vocals etc. He just kept getting better and better at this, taking his biggest leap on KOD. At the time of BS, it was pretty flat. Looped beat, drum loop with a heavy 808 on top. Verse, hook, bridge call it a day. And the mix from Mez was not dynamic whatsoever.

    Concept: The execution of the concept of the album is pretty undercooked tbh. My reading of the album is that it’s a plea for empathy from his fans, to his girl, to his family to understand how and why he went from Lil Jermaine to the chain wearing, Versace sweater having rap star. I think Made Sinner is honestly a more accurate description of the albums concept. Like I came into the game with the purest intentions, but had to get my hands dirty to get from A to B and now I don’t know whether I’ll ever be pure again. TBH, this is a pretty good concept. Not amazingly executed but good. I’d put it ahead of SS and KOD in terms of it being a compelling narrative but definitely behind OffSzn, FHD, 4YEO strictly in terms of laying out a concept and then executing it well.

    Classic joints and classic deep cuts: BS does pretty well here but definitely falls short of his later work in this regard. Power Trip and Crooked Smile are classics for sure. Mo Money is definitely one of his top deep cuts. But there’s some serious misses IMO and nothing approaching the level of deep cuts on FHD, KOD or OffSzn.

    For studio albums, it’s gotta be:

    1. FHD
    2 a. OffSzn
    2 b. FYEO
    4. KOD
    5. BS
    6. SS
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2022
    #69575
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    2
    NoRoleModelz and Ordinary Joel like this.
    May 1, 2025
  16. Uncle Luke
    Posts: 7,513
    Likes: 12,608
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014
    Location: Rocky Mount metro, NC

    Uncle Luke

    Feb 8, 2022
    I just don’t feel the production on born sinner.. lyrics and s--- on poinfbtho
     
    #69576
    3
    NoRoleModelz, Ordinary Joel and vinny ice like this.
    3
    NoRoleModelz, Ordinary Joel and vinny ice like this.
    May 1, 2025
  17. NoRoleModelz
    Posts: 1,059
    Likes: 2,143
    Joined: Jan 28, 2015

    NoRoleModelz

    Feb 9, 2022
    Agreed, IB said the same he would put BS 4/5.

    I think my ranking is the same as yours but i might even throw KOD in at #3
     
    #69577
    2
    Ordinary Joel and vinny ice like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and vinny ice like this.
    May 1, 2025
  18. Uncle Luke
    Posts: 7,513
    Likes: 12,608
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014
    Location: Rocky Mount metro, NC

    Uncle Luke

    Feb 9, 2022
    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZsLUygA-YP/?utm_medium=copy_link
     
    #69578
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  19. vinny ice
    Posts: 608
    Likes: 1,772
    Joined: Dec 2, 2016
    Location: brooklyn, ny

    vinny ice

    Feb 9, 2022
    Ya KOD is f---ing fire and has aged wonderfully.
     
    #69579
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    2
    Ordinary Joel and NoRoleModelz like this.
    May 1, 2025
  20. Uncle Luke
    Posts: 7,513
    Likes: 12,608
    Joined: Dec 23, 2014
    Location: Rocky Mount metro, NC

    Uncle Luke

    Feb 9, 2022


    Remember I said snoop and dre should’ve purchased death row??? That’s their s--- tbr lol, they started that label literally with the chronic and doggystyle… they should’ve been took control of that brand
     
    #69580
    4
    Ordinary Joel, Equis, Spartan23R and 1 other person like this.
    4
    Ordinary Joel, Equis, Spartan23R and 1 other person like this.
    May 1, 2025