Jul 23, 2015

Where is confirmed that this track was made before Drake's version tho? There is no evidence or proof on it.

 

Jul 23, 2015

That's what I was thinking but when I heard the full thing my gut feeling was that it sounded like a legit reference track. I don't see why Quentin would go and basically quote the whole Drake verse after it was already written. The only other explanation would be that Drake was telling him some lines to say as Quentin rapped the reference but I think that would just be making excuses for Drake at this point.

 

Jul 23, 2015

This is all very suspect to me. This dude comes out of nowhere and he's apparently a ghost writer for Drake now, but he can't even flow proper over the beat, yet alone come up with a new flow that Drake used for that track. I checked rest of his s---, it isn't to much different from this quality wise. I don't know bro, but something is not right, it doesn't make sense.

 

Jul 23, 2015

I honestly don't think Drake has a ghostwriter. It's natural for rappers to have people help them with a flow or a line or two. Kanye has done in sure Hov has done. I think this whole situation is getting overblown.

 

Jul 23, 2015

But he's not even a ghostwriter to me. He's credited on IYRTITL on Legend, 10 Bands, and 6 Man. He can't rap well thats why he's giving his bars to someone that can.

I don't think this is reflective of Drake as an artist at all. n----- is too personal with his music for people to actually believe other people ghostwrote songs like Look What You've Done, From Time, etc. Only people with certain experiences can write so vividly about a certain topic.

But its not surprising to me that his least personal project yet has someone like Quentin Miller basically writing a whole verse. Drake don't need him imo anyway. The second verse of 10 bands was better anyway.

 

Jul 23, 2015

Word, from that perspective, it could be true. Drake got lazy if that's the case tbh, there is absolutely no need for that, especially on this project where 90% of the songs are bangers, no mater what he says on them it's gonna be dope anyway cause his delivery is unmatched. But this whole situation might bring the best out of him now and he finally drops a classic album

 

Jul 23, 2015

Yeah hardly any pop songs are written by their respective artists, yet we still enjoy them. The thing about hip hop is that it's so lyric based, so while we can still enjoy ghostwritten songs as just fun tracks, we miss the deeper level of thought and relatability that comes from self written tracks.

p.s. f--- Fauntleroy and his ignorant a---

Edit: Not necessarily "ghostwritten" but just not written by the artist

 

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Jul 23, 2015

cole killed that verse. Great time to be a cole stan

 

Jul 23, 2015

Lupe schooling the world once again




"The Haunting.

A Letter

Part 1 of 2

To rappers from a rapper...simply write your own rhymes as much as you can if you are able. Ghostwriting, or borrowing lines, or taking suggestions from the room has always been in rap and will always be in rap. It is nothing to go crazy over or be offended about unless you are someone who postures him or herself on the importance of authenticity and tries to portray that quality to your fans or the public at large. Then we might have a problem. Some of the most pivotal moments in rap have been ghostwritten verses. This leads to a bigger point. Rapping is not an easy thing to do. It's takes years of work and trial and error to master some of its finer points. Respect from other MC's comes in many formats. Sales, live performances, realness etc but the one thing that is the most important is the raps themselves at least in the eyes of other serious rappers. The phrase "I'm not a rapper" gets thrown around as if it's a badge of honor. And that's fine. If rap is a side hustle for you or just a come up then by all means may the force be with you. But I know a lot of MC's where rap is the first love and the first thing they think about when they wake up and the last thing they think about when they go to sleep. Rappers who pursue the art form with this level of intention may not become rich and famous off selling their raps to a wide audience but that has never been an accepted metric to begin with in terms of quality or level of skill. The vast majority of rappers will never sell 100 records in their lifetimes let alone millions. But that's not the point, the point is that what pursuing the craft gives us in terms of the intangibles is something that record sales or fame could never represent. We achieve a mastery of language and poetics that competes on the highest levels of discourse across the entirety of human history. We express ourselves creatively and attain a sense of liberation and self-esteem via this sacred mode of creation and communication.

Part 2 Of 2

Modern Radio and the commercial realm of music has injured rap. It set up ambiguous rules and systems for success that don't take into consideration the quality and skill of the rappers craft. It redefined rap as just being a beat driven hook with some words in between and an entire generation has surrendered to chasing the format instead of chasing the art form. While mastering any format should be the pursuit of any self-respecting rapper including the commercial format it must be kept clear that it is just one of many formats and that you should strive to master all of them. The art form is kept alive and progressive in the activities of the tens of thousands of rappers around the world who are everyday trying to think of that next witty bar. Trying to put that crazy verse together while at work. Trying to find that word that rhymes with catapult so they can finish off that vivid story rap about their childhood. Meek Mill struck a nerve accusing Drake of having a ghostwriter and the entire rap world reacted on all sides of the fence because rap is alive. It's active and it feels. Its rules and traditions are vibrant and responsive. I enjoy both these brothers music and find inspiration and appreciation from both of them. I remember being in Toronto at Goodfoot years ago and it was a stack of CD's on the counter and the guy behind the counter was like "Lupe you gotta take this CD. It's my mans mixtape." I didn't really pay it any mind I took it to the car and looked it over and just kind of set it aside focused on other things. I vividly remember saying "what kind of rap name is Drake?" The rest is history. Once while in Philly I went to do an interview in a shabby and very hood basement studio complex. I peeked into one of the rooms and it was this tall kid with his shirt off bouncing up and down in the booth with an energy that was electric. I gave him my regards. He gave them back. I think I mentioned something about him cutting his dreads. As I left I remember him rapping something about being a boss. The rest is history. At the end of the day, for better or worse, rap is alive even if some of its greatest moments are written by ghosts."

 

Jul 23, 2015

and the biggest thing y'all missing that i didn't even think of myself ... is that ...

nowhere in quentin's 10 bands (even assuming it was his s--- first) does he have the part ...

I BEEN IN THE CRIB WITH THE PHOOOOOONES OFF, I BEEN IN THE HOUSE TAKING NOOOOO CALLS

so even if quentin came up with the 10 bands part drake came up with the part that takes that song over the top

after meek apologizing to nicki and proving how emotional and suspect he is all i think this is is what you would think it is ... quentin is just a dude like all of drake's friends who are part of ovo who is in the studio with him and helps him out with his bars here and there, and maybe did one reference track, i mean the fact remains that he was credited on all the songs that it makes sense for him to have helped out with, if anything i have more respect for drake cause we know now that he DOES in fact credit people who help him out and doesn't act like it didn't happen ... meek just acting up cause he too d--- emotional and had some "insider info" that he could use to get some attention, drake still needs to put him in his place even tho he back tracked a bit ...

anybody discrediting drake's entire career of writing cause of this is just stupid

 

Jul 23, 2015

when u type "meek mill ..." on google now the first things it completes ur sentence with is "... drake" "drake beef" lol

this n----- getting more attention off this than anything in his career, drake really needs to put him in his place

 

Jul 23, 2015

http://www.xclusiveszone.net/2015/07/trae-tha-truth-tha-truth-album-stream/

 

Jul 23, 2015

s--- will take care of itself, or at least Safaree will



This dude got mad soft and insecure for a hoe b, that's the saddest thing

 

Jul 23, 2015

thankful cole stans don't have the write these defense paragraphs no more

 

Jul 23, 2015

Meek mill has got to be the most feminine rapper in the game after all of this

 

Jul 23, 2015

 

Jul 23, 2015

Three fire Cole features on the week of CFF season 1 finale

 

Jul 23, 2015

Meek just using this s--- for album sales. HIm and nicki are the worst type of industry people. They live on social media.