Nov 19, 2016 You actually seriously believe half of America voted for trump because they don't like a black president? You don't think it was, in the first place, an anti establishment vote? You really think that Obama's clique has always been perfect and that anyone who opposes it is just and purely a racist?
Nov 19, 2016 I actually think this is very stupid. If you have to pick one of those 2 and you pick someone who happens to be racist, doesn't have to make you a racist.
Nov 19, 2016 a lot of trump supporters are still racist even if they won't admit it and trump based his campaign partly on racism, but saying trump's election is all the dumb racist americans's fault is naive and counterproductive. I don't understand how someone like wpg doesn't get that.
Nov 19, 2016 Yeah well I love to read his stories/reviews/posts in general but there are many things I don't get from him lol. Which is fine btw, not meant offensive
Nov 19, 2016 Kanye smart af for this if he really runs he's gonna pull in the TRUMP supporters and all the millennials on his d-ck.
Nov 19, 2016 well if you want to get technical, about 19 percent of america voted for trump, and about 41 percent of those registered to vote. i think that a huge animating factor behind his candidacy, his campaign, and his electoral college win was backlash against a black president, yes. this actually bears out in exit polling numbers, which i would get into with you, but it seems as if your mind's made up. racism is never simple. @Michael Myers i see you "liked" a post telling me to move to another country if i don't like it, which is adorable. @Boos if someone voted for a man who wants all muslims to register--you know, like nazi germany--then they've decided that's acceptable. full stop. end of discussion. also can we talk about how utterly moronic you'd have to be to vote for someone because he has no political experience?
Nov 19, 2016 @WPG I liked that post because of the context. I think its a different voting for someone who is also racist and actually having to be a racist. And a lot of people threatened to leave the country if Trump wins, I think that is what coco intended. For those reasons I liked that post. I disagree with you on some things but wanting you to leave the country? ur adorable too
Nov 19, 2016 one is part of a larger whole. voting for someone who's repeatedly called for innocent black kids to be lynched is not that much different from calling for lynchings yourself. there are white liberal celebrities who run their mouths about leaving the country, absolutely. but the difference is that there is a large group of people who would now like to leave a trump-run country to preserve their own safety. it's not abstract protest.
Nov 19, 2016 http://genius.com/a/kanye-west-used-to-rap-about-racism-now-he-doesn-t-want-you-to-talk-about-it
Nov 19, 2016 I never and would never said that's not true though? All I'm saying it's not the only factor and that trump is part of a movement against the actual politicians, that people feel like they've been betrayed too much and that they want ''real'' change, not just center left center right alternance. But reading you felt like "no there's nothing wrong with obama, clinton and company, the only reason why people don't support them is because obama is black and clinton a women" and that's denying other huge problems.
Nov 19, 2016 yeah you're projecting onto me a whole bunch of arguments i didn't make and don't believe
Nov 19, 2016 "you said "people voted for Trump for the very fact that he isn't your typical president." that's naive. they voted for him because Obama's not the typical president--i.e.- he's black. you can try to spin this in a million ways but trump's campaign was founded on and grounded in the idea that a black president was illegitimate." Tell me you're not talking here like 90% of the reasons trump won is because racism.
Nov 19, 2016 almost all the arguments for a trump presidency are rooted in racism. but if you think this was about being "anti-establishment," why didn't rand paul get the nomination? what about bernie sanders? why wasn't mike pence a deal-breaker for trump supporters? what about gingrich, christie, et al? we should also point out that when you refer to "change," you're being euphemistic: the material ways in which trump has proposed we "change" america are largely rooted in white nationalism. (the ones that aren't--overturning roe v. wade, eliminating the aca, etc--are exclusionary in their own ways.) of course there was a tremendous amount wrong with hillary clinton and her campaign--that's why she lost. but that didn't manifest in swing voters, it manifested in low turnout among democrats. you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument for donald trump that doesn't revert back to white nationalism. and if you think "racism" is a separate, distinct category from other policy issues, we might as well not be having this conversation.
Nov 19, 2016 I just think it's a huge jump to just say anyone who voted for Trump finds all the horrible things he stands for acceptable. They can still find all those things to be horrible, but also find HRC's handling of Benghazi just as horrible. And when they have children who some day will be in a similar scenario as those soldiers, I think it's acceptable that they place their children over other people, yet they can still acknowledge how terrible the repercussions potentially could be. Yes people like that who voted for Trump might be in the minority, but they do exist, and it's really not fair to say all 50+ million who voted for him are ok with hate. It's just not true.
Nov 19, 2016 it's demonstrably true. this is a guy whose political career was launched by perpetuating racist conspiracy theories about our first black president. he has no experience or expertise--or, per all relevant reporting, no clear understanding of what the president does. they're voting for racist stump speeches. that's it. there's no there there.
Nov 19, 2016 I mean.... that's not what I said at all. It's totally believable, but not everyone who voted Trump is in that group. Majority? Probably. There are good people who voted for him and don't believe in the hate he spews. The example I posted was a valid reason to vote in his favor. You don't have to believe it though. I appreciate the healthy discussion and I actually learned a thing or two. Edit: overlooking something for personal, non-evil reasons is not the same as accepting hate imo
