Jan 5, 2016

amazing documentary, kind of an imitation of paradise lost but still great.
the amount of content they showed/have filmed is really impressive.
great production.

 

Jan 5, 2016

Also to add to the key appearance; the crooked cops from his r--- case (Lenk & Colburn) were the ones who suddenly discovered the keys in his room (after it'd already been searched & the slippers were moved) 3 days after the initial investigation, even though Manitowoc Country wasn't supposed to be involved.

 

Jan 5, 2016

This also happened on the day they weren't being supervised.

GOD DAMNIT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?

 

Jan 5, 2016

Idk it really wouldn't surprise me if he did it. Still doesn't change the fact that there's been some awful police work done in the process. I saw somebody mention that he'd been borderline harassing Theresa to come look at cars, to the point that she requested not to go to the property anymore. He'd also called a bunch of times from private numbers and the only reason she was there was because Steven set up the meeting through his sister.

 

Jan 5, 2016

Does everyone think Steven and Brendan are guilty or innocent?

@Mano I might add a poll to this thread

 

Jan 5, 2016

I dunno. I'm kinda 70/30 on this. 70% thinking not guilty, but that's mostly cause of the police. 30% guilty just cause of how "off" he is.

Feel free to add a poll

 

Jan 5, 2016

the dude is a total r-----..... he let the cops question him without having a lawyer present among other things but the thing that has baffled me the most is the corruption of the police force... Like im over here thinking that the cops could do the same to me haha

 

Jan 5, 2016

This was just one crazy a--- case. There's holes on both sides, Steven is clearly a little off (sending letters to GF saying he would k--- her if she didn't wait for him after he got out, chasing a woman off the road with a gun) and the police department clearly hated Steven, but I don't think Steven would've won his case had it been elsewhere. Just off the fact that the last place she was seen alive was at his place. Unlike his last case where he had DNA evidence and evidence showing that he was at other places at the time of a crime, this case doesn't have that.

 

Jan 5, 2016

Uh no he probably didn't do

There are countless reasons why it makes no sense that have nothing to do with Avery himself. They literally used jackhammers in his garage and still couldn't find any trace of blood

 

Jan 5, 2016

Brendan is clearly innocent. They chose the most mentally handicapped member of the family and forced him into confirming their concocted narrative. It's actually sickening


Avery seems innocent for a lot of reasons. But I'm honesty more concerned with how blatant some of the tampering in this case was -- with no repercussions for the officers. Like vial of blood from the previous trial...how do you just let people sworn to uphold the law get away with this s---, regardless of Avery's innocence.

Did the fuckheads from the first r--- case even face any real consequences in the end?

 

Jan 5, 2016

If this case was handled by people removed from his county, there wouldn't even be things like brendens "confession" which set the tone for the entire trial

 

Jan 5, 2016

Brendan does seem innocent, although he apparently described the r--- in more detail than the documentary provided.

Here's the thing: Either they're both innocent or both guilty.

If Brendan is innocent and Steven is guilty, we're assuming that Steven sat there silently and let his 16 year old nephew go to prison for r--- & murder, fully knowing he had nothing to do with it. He's a terrible person, but I don't think he would've let that happen (well he did just murder an Auto Trader photographer, so maybe). We're also assuming Steven invited Brendan over to watch a bonfire containing a woman he just killed? No way.

If they're both guilty, Steven Avery can deep clean his house for DNA like a pro and Brendan literally has no real emotions. The story also had to happen differently than the prosecution portrayed. Nothing made sense.

If they're both innocent, it had to be the police. Lots of internet theories speculate the ex-boyfriend's involvement, Teresa's brother, or Brendan's brother & stepdad.. But a 3rd party committing murder and framing Steven is way too convenient to occur just days before the ONE guy in America is awaiting a $36 million settlement from that very county. This theory also assumes the police waited until Teresa left Steven's property and killed her themselves, which is unbelievable in itself.

I'm just confusing myself at this point

 

Jan 5, 2016

The roommate was a little weird too. Took 3 days to report her missing

 

Jan 5, 2016

Ur a gullible idiot did you read what I said lol

 

Jan 5, 2016

Brendan said he was just describing s--- from a James Patterson book lol...how he managed to read that in the first place Idk but I believe it

 

Jan 5, 2016

What? Just because you prefaced it with "the police could've still been out to get him, " doesn't mean you're right in assuming he probably did it.

"Let's be honest, he probably did it" -- why?

Like I said, regardless of how dumb you think Steven is, there are plenty of other reasons why the prosecutors story doesn't add up. So no, I'm not gonna say "he probably did it" for no reason

 

Jan 5, 2016

its not for no reason at all, there's loads of evidence not included in the documentary lol. and i say "documentary" when its actually not... it's a one sided presentation of things, creating a kinda invented mystery for comfortable ppl to be entertained

what ive gleamed is while theres alot of doubt surrounding his guilt -- i can totally see him being found innocent bc of "reasonable doubt".....-- dude seems like a total creep. the filmmakers lost my trust trying to make him out like some martyr when he CLEARLY isnt and just, i feel like he likely probably mightve did it. you have to think critically and not always take media face value lol.

also we aren't debating this. this is a serious topic and doesnt need "narsh logic" mucking things up (actually... maybe you should work for Manitowoc County )

 

Jan 5, 2016

u sound like the people who sent him away for 18 years!

 

Jan 5, 2016

"i can totally see him being found innocent bc of "reasonable doubt""

me convicting him, and me thinking he did it are two different things, baby child!

 

Jan 5, 2016

Just finished this. It was well-done, but also very one sided.

Spoiler

I thought there was more than enough evidence to convict Steven of murder. It's hard to believe so many people believe so strongly in his innocence. I've followed many cases where someone is convicted on much less evidence. Most of the evidence against the police was very speculative.

Brendan I'm far less certain about. I think Brendan was probably guilty of something, helping dispose of the body, but it's hard to prove him taking part in the actual murder.

The cut on Steve's hand and the blood stain near the ignition in Teresa's car I find very interesting, because they're a perfect match if you consider the position of his hand when starting the ignition.