Jan 5, 2016

it's alright

 

Jan 5, 2016

did you guys see this?

http://cnn.it/1PKM3RK

 

Jan 6, 2016

yeah idk bout "perfect". when I insert my key in to my ignition my fingers are in a closed position, and that cut is on the inside of his finger and would be dripping down. so if anything the blood from starting a car with a cut hand would result in plenty of blood on the key and on the floor in the driver area. both of which, based upon the knowledge we have, were not there.

not to mention the guy runs a fkn salvage yard and that cut could be from literally anything. especially since the blood source is unknown bc that EDTA test that was somehow admissible despite appearing out of thin air with questionable scientific parameters doesn't distinguish between whether there was no EDTA or the test didn't detect it.

I think I lean towards what CA is saying. Very possibly guilty, certainly not in the way that was described and presented at trial, and even more certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt. really would have liked more focus on trying to establish a timeline for steven's activity that day. the defense chose not to go that route and didn't really establish and potential alibi for the big gaps in time there were. police didn't really seemed too concerned with the two people going hunting that were on the property and their only alibi is each other. their activity during the murder window is also a total question mark.

 

Jan 6, 2016

Maybe not perfect, but you have to consider that this wasn't his car. Many times when I start up someone's car besides my own, I tend to fumble around a bit getting the key in the ignition, which could explain his finger rubbing against the surface where the blood was. I'm not basing my feeling of his guilt simply on this, but I find the location of the blood and the cut on his finger to be a very logical match. The lack of fingerprints in the car is interesting, but it's not impossible to avoid leaving prints and still leave other dna behind.

Overall I think there's just too much evidence pointing to Avery's guilt. Why did he call Teresa from a blocked number twice before she arrived? I've read that the previous time Teresa came to the Avery residence that Steve answered the door in just a towel, and Teresa didn't want to return to the property because Steve creeped her out. The girls remains were found in a burn pit about ten feet from Steve's trailer.

 

Jan 6, 2016

There was no other DNA found in the car which led the defence to believe he would have to have worn gloves if he was using the car, which means his blood couldn't have got on the car.
Also they said he used the car to move the body to the burn site, why would he need to do that if it was just metres from his house?

 

Jan 6, 2016

Kills her in his bedroom (no blood or signs of struggle), drags her to the garage (no blood or other DNA samples). Then puts her in her car when the burn site is in his backyard. Wears gloves in the car yet there's blood. Like even if he was guilty how does this all make sense? These were all arguments they used. I really don't get it

 

Jan 6, 2016

Also who the f--- just has a car key with no house or office keys on their ring?

That s--- was f---in planted

 

Jan 7, 2016

You guys see this? Former juror of the Avery case says he's afraid for his life. Pretty interesting read. https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/former-steven-avery-case-juror-on-making-a-154605397.html

A juror in the Steven Avery murder case joined Yahoo News and Finance Anchor Bianna Golodryga on “Yahoo News Live” to discuss his doubts in the 2007 conviction of Avery for the murder of 25-year-old Teresa Halbach. The case is at the center of the new Netflix documentary series “Making a Murderer,” which has led to thousands of people signing online petitions asking for the exoneration of Avery and his nephew, also convicted of murdering Halbach.

The juror, Richard Mahler, who was released on the first day of deliberations for personal reasons, told Golodryga: “According to the evidence that I reviewed in the court room the six weeks I was there, it didn’t all add up.”

Mahler said he could understand why another juror is afraid for his safety. Mahler said he feared for his life during the trial and still does now. He told Golodryga that he has been “getting a lot of threats on social media.”

Mahler cited a number of pieces of evidence that led him to believe that Avery was innocent. First, there was the vial of Avery’s blood that was tampered with. “I don’t think that a normal person could walk into that clerk of courts office and mess with that vial,” he said. “It had to be someone who had access to that room.” Then there was the key from Halbach’s car that was found in Avery’s home. “The key didn’t have Teresa’s DNA on it,” Mahler said. “It didn’t make sense to me either.” Finally, he noted, “there was no blood in Steven’s trailer or near the garage or DNA of Teresa’s anywhere to be found.”

Mahler said that when he asked a member of the jury after the trial why they convicted Avery, the juror told him: “Think of all the things he did when he was younger.”

He told Golodryga that he took that comment to mean that Avery’s conviction was based on all of the things he had done when he was younger and not on the evidence in the trial.

In the initial moments in the jury room following the trial, Mahler described a paper ballot vote taken of the jury. “The vote came out seven not guilty, three guilty and two undecided.”

Mahler further described a number of incidents that he found disturbing in the initial hours of deliberation. “I walked into the jury room for the first four hours of deliberation and one of the gentlemen had his arms crossed, and he said to me, ‘He’s guilty as h---.’ And I thought to myself, ‘How can this be? What is wrong with this guy? He’s not even willing to look at the evidence.’”

Mahler also described what happened during the first lunch break of deliberations. He told a fellow juror, “‘Man, I just can’t handle this.’ And he said, ‘Then why don’t you leave?’” Mahler said, “I don’t know if he thought because I was a threat to the guilty verdict or not, but I took that pretty hard too.”

He later got a phone call that his stepdaughter had been in an accident. It was a combination of the family emergency and the comments at lunch and in the jury room that led him to, as he described, “an emotional breakdown.” He told Golodryga, “That’s why I left the jury.”

Mahler said he knew nothing about Avery going into the trial, but he “has learned that a lot of people on the jury had been out to the junkyard or knew Steven in some way.” In other words, he said, he doesn’t believe the jury was impartial.

On the subject of the taped confession of Avery’s nephew, Brendan Dassey, which was excluded from Avery’s trial, he said he later found out that one of the jurors got wind of the Dassey confession during the trial anyway.

Mahler dismissed criticism from the prosecutor in the case, Ken Kratz, that key evidence was left out of the documentary series. He told Golodryga, “It features 98 percent that I saw in court and had questions about.”

Finally, Mahler said, “I feel really sorry for the family. … They lost a beautiful daughter. I feel bad because Steven’s family went through this and a lot of people were hurt in the whole process.”

 

Jan 7, 2016

Starting episode 7 right now. In a perfect world, I will spend 4 hours straight finishing all of it.

PS, his lawyers are f---ing awesome.

 

Jan 7, 2016

just binge watched this
i need to know what happened

 

Jan 7, 2016

Do any of you who think Steven is innocent have any alternate suspect ideas?

Other than maybe another member of the Avery family, any other suspect seems highly unlikely to me.

 

Jan 7, 2016

http://tvline.com/2016/01/07/making-a-murderer-questions-answered-steven-avery-id-special/

 

Jan 8, 2016

Finished the show last night, a lot of the main points have already been brought up so I'll keep this brief:
-I keep seeing "He used a fake name when scheduling the appointment". He used his sisters name, I've read that the car he was selling belonged to his sister. That isn't a fake name, he's using the name of the owner of the car that was being sold.
-The sweat DNA on the hood latch is also sketchy to me, the investigators were going through all of Avery's possessions and most likely wearing gloves. One of the investigators could have easily had his DNA on his gloves and touched it while investigating. The lack of finger prints makes this even more curious.
-The prosecution's case makes no sense. Somehow Avery is a mastermind criminal that cleaned up his trailer and garage so well that it did not leave one trace of Halbach's DNA in it while simultaneously was a complete idiot that left a couple obvious traces of her blood in the car? Especially when you look at the garage, it did not look like it was cleaned at all. How was he able to clean up all of the DNA in the garage without actually cleaning up?

 

Jan 10, 2016

This documentary made me sick. How could this crooked a--- cops get away with this s---. He is innocent. Why would he do all that s--- when he was about to be rich. Makes no sense. The cops clearly had something against the guy and they pulled this bs off. f----- Up. This world makes me SICK!!!!!!

 

Jan 10, 2016

My friend watched this show and thought it was fake, like a mockumentary

Someone had to tell her it was real

 

Jan 12, 2016

http://milwaukeerecord.com/music/br...murderer-conviction-with-christian-rap-song/?

Thanks to Making A Murderer, the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach and subsequent conviction of Steven Avery and his (then) 16-year-old nephew Brendan Dassey have returned to the spotlight in Wisconsin, and have since seen the attention stretch far beyond state lines. In the wake of the wildly popular Netflix docu-series, some have become skeptical about the way the Manitowac County Sheriff’s Department handled the investigation—even causing some to petition for the pair to be retried or flat out pardoned.

While most people pushing for Avery and Dassey’s release have expressed their grievances in the form of online petitions, Facebook statuses, and drunken arguments with friends about a key chain, Brendan Dassey’s half brother Brad Dassey decided to utilize a longstanding vehicle for expressing social unrest to challenge the convictions: rap.

On Sunday, the self-proclaimed “indie Christian rapper” released “They Didn’t Do It” on his YouTubeand SoundCloud pages. The song—which the Manitowac emcee says he made over 10 straight hours of writing and recording—claims injustice was “slammed in the face of two innocent people” before repeatedly suggesting “they didn’t do it.” As the debate of Avery and Dassey’s innocence intensifies (at least until the next season of House Of Cards comes out), listen to Brad Dassey’s new track.

 

Jan 18, 2016

I think the point of this documentary was to show people how flawed our judicial system really is, rather than convince viewers of Avery's innocence. That being said I'm definitely not convinced of Avery's innocence at all. I think there's a possibility he did it, but the prosecution did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. There's far too many flaws in the case to make a clear cut call. I truly believe Brendan Dassey is innocent. The parts of the documentary involving him were sickening. Law enforcement and the prosecution took a kid who was mentally impaired and coerced him into confessing. That was abuse. Mike Halbach and Teresa's ex-boyfriend should have been suspects. Deleting voice mails from her phone... How is that not tampering with evidence? Also, and this is something that's been discussed a lot, the interview with Mike Halbach where he mentions the "grieving process" is very odd. It's almost as if he catches his mistake midway through and then backtracks and says they can hopefully move on with Teresa still in their lives. The interview with both Mike and the ex-boyfriend is by far the worst (in my opinion). They start off the interview completely confident and sure of what they're saying, but once the reporter questions them about having access to the Avery property the two stumble as much as they possibly can. Mike looks at the ex-boyfriend so nervously, as if they're not on the same page, making sure their story is straight. It's just very odd to me.

 

Jan 19, 2016

Just finished it and i dont think they did it. But the documentary was nicely done.