Oct 21, 2022 I just can't really see them as rappers tbh, I feel like the reason why they're very succesful is cause they don't rap that much (Kanye, Drake,...)
Oct 21, 2022 here’s some slower english, r-----. slim shady is a sexist, racist fictional character. nba youngboy is a sexist, racist human being. eminem rapping this stuff, with real rhyming and real literary devices, becomes a work of fiction. otherwise it’s f---ing garbage catering to the lowest common denominator of society and idk how anyone can defend energy being spent on its creation
Oct 21, 2022 I dislike the pop I've been hearing on the radio lately as well. I can't speak on the albums, but I feel 0 motivation to check them out when I think the singles are boring disco or trap inspired s--- or some lame ballads
Oct 21, 2022 I've been going back to the same 3 albums all year, hope Nas will be the 4th since it seems nothing else is dropping before the year ends, rap or not.
Oct 21, 2022 I mean you can cherry pick bad verses from every artist — this is a song from early in his career before he was on most people's radar. I don't this particularly bad or good lyrically, it's kinda just fine. The reason people like a song like this is cuz of the aggressive delivery/frantic beat. It has energy to it and people like energetic music. That being said it's very far from one my favorite youngboy songs, I can take or leave it. I've said this many times here but I'll say it again: there's lots of different styles of writing. There's value in James Joyce's Ulysses and there's value in Stephen Kings It. King isn't doing anything insane from literary standpoint, but that doesn't make him a bad writer. The same is true for rap — you might prefer one writing style over another, but that doesn't mean the other is bad or doesn't have value. Regardless if you focus on lyrics alone with music you're leaving out a huge part of the equation in terms of why people listen to music. Youngboy is super versatile in terms of his flow/cadence/delivery/etc and the varied energy he brings to the table. He's extremely good at conveying emotion through his voice, and he has songs that are well written as well. All of that combined I think this is a great depiction of addiction struggles: [Chorus] Wanna take it all back to where it started Life of the party Right where my heart at Soon as what I want come in, I say anything goes [Verse 1] On the road, cool, ridin' 'round with the top down Nowhere to go to, decide that I'll just ride 'round She a drug abuser from a broken heart, oh, oh Got a bad addiction, I been druggin' hard all month long I'm in that Wraith, I ain't got nothin' but some residue on me I'm chasin' a check to the morning I'm in the trenches with smokers and steppers and loners Somethin' more than one Schedule II on me Matter fact, just a convicted felon, I'm keepin' my weapon I'm pourin' more blood on that money Owe it all to the youngin who feel that he owe the ones Put addiction 'fore hunger I ain't got no peak, leave blood inside the streets Used to wash my clothes inside the sink, now a young n----- walk on mink Takin' care of my dawg, made myself a boss, they gon' take one off, he blink 'Fore a n----- had fame, I was sittin' in a cell, young n----- takin' off them links She gon' play with her nose all night s---t three doses 'fore the night end Lipstick bottle full of white, I know Told her that I like it, I like it These n----s, they talk too much, can't tell what I did, I did I always been there for you, you don't even excite me I don't necessarily expect you to like the song based upon your taste, but I think it's being closed-minded if you can't see any value in it or why someone else would like it. Rap doesn't have to sound like any one specific thing, nor does hip-hop or any other genre. There's tons of music I don't like that I 100% see the value in. I don't care at all how many syllables someone can rhyme if the song doesn't sound good to me, but I understand why people think that's cool. He's absolutely made songs with misogynistic/homophobic lyrics from the POV of himself. Like...he made a song about murdering his wife, he made a song about dumping his wife's dead body in the lake with his kid. Regardless, a lot of trap/g--- narratives aren't real and are just for entertainment as well. They're works of fiction. But whether or not the exact stories are true, a lot of them are reflective of a reality many people have lived. I'm not trying to be a d-ck when I say this but frankly I don't really understand why you'd like rap in the first place if you think this way about music like that considering how much of rap has to do with the struggles of poor people, em included.
Oct 21, 2022 the idea that Kanye became successful because he doesn't rap that much is insane, he def incorporated more singing from 808s and onward but his commercial peak was 95%+ rapping. where the h--- do you get these opinions from marsh? this s--- isn't even opinion, it's just factually incorrect
Oct 21, 2022 i think here is a good point to draw in the sandaline the difference between a rapper and a lyricist bc
Oct 21, 2022 lol I followed him from the start but Graduation + 808s and specially MBDTF are his best imo. Also love Yeezus btw.
Oct 21, 2022 bc i can’t believe i’m calling you by whatever tf it happens your current name is but i want your attention. @DKC - there is value in kim because of the elevated way em rhymes. there’s no value here, because there’s no elevated literacy. even the lyrics you offered while slightly less sparse are pandering, toxic trash with no metaphors or wordplay or fictionalized storytelling whatsoever. there is no literary value. it’s literally a f---ing court deposition set to one syllable rhymes, and a beat specifically created to hypnotize anyone with an iq below 99
Oct 21, 2022 I mean when I see the word lyricist I just see "person who writes lyrics." But if you're considering lyricist to mean "someone who is known for being great at writing lyrics," then yeah there's a difference. I agree that mbdtf and yeezus are his best, but his commercial peak was Late Registration/Graduation.
Oct 21, 2022 Again — wordplay and metaphors and multisyllabic rhymes aren't necessary to make a good piece of writing. Can they help make a good piece of writing? Sure. But saying that that's the reason something isn't good is extremely closed-minded. I find this idea to be, in your words, toxic, and serves to ignore and demean art that doesn't fit into an Eminem sized box. I could just as easily make the argument that wordplay and metaphors don't excuse the misogyny of Kim. It's not a pleasant song to listen to me, regardless. What portions of Kim do you consider to be elevated metaphors/wordplay/etc? It's not fictionalized storytelling because he's giving an honest look at his life/current state. Why is there no literary value in that? Is there no literary value in memoirs? Again, this is an extremely closed-minded look at things, and it also ignores every other aspect of the music itself.
Oct 21, 2022 It's hard for me to find any new artists/rappers entertaining, no hate towards any of them tho.
Oct 21, 2022 I'll tell you if you answer all the questions in my thoughtful, sub-99 IQ, NBA Youngboy-loving post
Oct 21, 2022 @DKC Can they help make a good piece of writing? obviously but they’re not the only important aspects What portions of Kim do you consider to be elevated metaphors/wordplay/etc? the moment he kills her the track becomes a fictional metaphor. to say it isn’t a fictional metaphor before this moment is a leap in logic He's giving an honest look at his life/current state. Why is there no literary value in that? because presenting the life he leads like it’s an ideal to strive for is setting an atrocious example compared to songs like rock bottom, lose yourself and phenomenal which were also created by the guy you call a homophobic misogynist, which i think might be an oxymoron by the way Is there no literary value in memoirs? sure there is. but i don’t consider an nba yb song the equivalent of a memoir now what do you think 25 to life is about
Oct 21, 2022 Being a good lyricist is one thing, but rhyming 20 syllables per line doesn't make you a good musician. Some people rhyme well, but their flow is wack, they can't pick a right beat or they're simply off beat. We can't judge anybody over their rhyming ability.
