Dec 22, 2014

Trent,

Just wanted to ask...

What QB has won the most playoff games in history?

I forgot.

 

Dec 22, 2014

Bengals lose these games 1000% of the time, would love to be proven wrong so the Pats can rest their guys next week but i dont see it happening.

As i type this Dalton throws a pick 6 smh

 

Dec 22, 2014

Andrew Luck is a beast no doubt, but he's too much like Brett Favre. A lot of TD's and a lot of yards, but a lot of interceptions too.

 

Dec 22, 2014

He's still young though so that's why he still has that gun-slinger mentality. Also he's throwing the ball A LOT so that's another reason for his interceptions being high. He's improved every season since his rookie year so I can see him really focusing and working on his turnovers in the off season and figuring out how to limit them.

 

Dec 22, 2014

God dammit Peyton

 

Dec 22, 2014

God d---, you can tell from this second half of the season that Peyton is starting to slip now which is sad to see (although his O line hasn't been s--- this year). After the Broncos most likely lose to the Patriots in the playoffs, i want him to retire for sure. I do not want to see him go out like Brett Favre, who is my all time favorite so it was hard for me to see him go out the way he did.

 

Dec 23, 2014

Yeah, i think Peyton's body might finally be starting to wear down. He needed two IV's to finish the game last week and he was questionable coming into this weeks game with a bruised thigh. Broncos gotta beat the Raiders next week to secure a 1st round bye, it'll do Peyton some good to get that bye. Give the Broncos and him time to heal up and get ready for the post season.

 

Dec 23, 2014

Favre had one of his best seasons his 2nd to last year so it made sense to come back for one more. It does kinda s--- that his last year didn't work out though but can't blame him for trying after a great season before that.

I think Peyton will be just fine next year, isn't he still hurt or something right now? That's probably affecting him more than he'll admit. Everyone wrote Brady off in week 4 and look how that turned out, I don't think Peyton's done yet personally.

 

Dec 23, 2014

At least 10? Really? Putting being a biased Eagles fan to the side, please list the 10

 

Dec 23, 2014

Even though Peyton made that terrible throw Bengals have made a huge statement with tonight's victory.

 

Dec 23, 2014

lol hey guys, we'll just take that number one seed lol.

 

Dec 23, 2014

I'll say this before I make my list. I like Romo, but I think he's benefitted statistically from great weapons, but has had horrible luck in regards to coaching. I think he's a good QB, but should be more of a game manager (like he has been this season)

I put Romo and Eli on the same level. Both are good when they MANAGE games and don't run an offense. They both NEED big play makers to succeed too. I'd put Eli slightly above him just because of post-season success (witnessing first hand.)

If Romo had a great coach, he'd probably be a Super Bowl Champion in 2009. That Cowboys defense was serious that year, but they gave Romo too much responsibility, and there's only 4 QB's that I think should have that (Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees)

Here's my list (no order)

Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Wilson, Big Ben, Luck, Rivers, Eli

I'd put Romo with Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Palmer. To me, he's in that 10-15 range.

While I didn't put 10 in front of him, I could make a case for Ryan, Flacco, Newton or Palmer... I just gave Romo the benefit of the doubt.

 

Dec 23, 2014

Who do you guys think wins MVP? I'd say it's more open than it's been in a long time this year, 4-5 candidates with a legit shot. Normally by this time of year, it's down to 1 or 2 realistic choices.

Brady, Rodgers, JJ Watt, Murray and Romo all have a chance imo. I'd say Murray and Romo are the least likely but they still have a shot.

I think Watt would win it if Houston got in the playoffs but they likely won't. I think Brady deserves it next although I think it's more likely Rodgers gets it. I'm hoping JJ Watt gets it though.

 

Dec 23, 2014

I have Rodgers slightly ahead of the pack still but Romo and Brady aren't far behind. If any of those 3 won it, I'd be fine, all 3 of them deserve it.

@Fitz yup, Cowboys D ranked like top 5 in points allowed per game that year, only season Romo's played with a top notch defense. To bad his O Line was atrocious that year, he got sacked 6 times in the playoff game vs the Vikings. Also, I get what you're saying about managing games but I think that could said about all QB's. What QB wouldn't excel playing an Alex Smith type role? Anyways, the whole Eli vs Romo debate came to an end after Eli had that attrocious 2013 season but even before then and even now Romo's been consistently better than him throughout the years.

 

Dec 23, 2014

I think all QB's should be game managers, but that's just me lol.

A lot of people look at QBRs and statistics as a tell-tale sign of a great QB. A lot of people don't realize that some of the passes and stats are skewed. Like, when Brady throws jump ball up to a 6'7 Gronkowski, or Randy Moss, I don't look at that as an amazing QB job, but a great job by the receiver. That's why Stafford has great stats too, he gets to throw it to Calvin Johnson.


Also, how does a QB perform in clutch situations? Not just what passes he makes, but what decisions? Does he run the clock out, does he throw the ball away, does he take a sack, does he run the ball when a defense is playing the pass.

Also, how much does he rely on his weaponry? Has he shown he can make ANY offense work? That's huge too. If Romo loses Dez, Witten, Murray and 2 offensive linemen, can he still manage a game to victory?

Quarterbacks, in essence, are game managers on the offensive side. They can control the tempo of a game. They communicate with the offensive line about blocking schemes, audibles, hot routes, etc. To me, the best quarterbacks aren't the ones who score fast, but manage the tempo in an effective way.

Big Ben is a prime example of what I'm talking about. He can play ANY game. Not only that, but he makes great decisions in the clutch. The guy is criminally underrated. The Steelers, outside of their offensive weapons, are not a talented team. Their defense is aged, and I don't really believe in their offensive line. However, Ben has done an amazing job with the offense, and although Brown and Bell are HUGE reasons that they're going to the playoffs, Ben is the constant to me.

It's all in perspective, I guess. I just think the quarterbacks I mentioned could thrive in any offensive system or team philosophy. Other quarterbacks, to me, rely heavily on offensive weaponry for their statistics. I guess you could say that about elite defenses too, but I never considered Mark Sanchez a good QB in his Jets years, because I saw him as a liability more than an asset.

If I had the same team around a QB, who would give me the better opportunity to win a Super Bowl? That's how I basically view it.

Hopefully that explains it.

 

Dec 23, 2014

Rodgers, hands down.

Defensive player with a team that didn't make the playoffs won't ever be an MVP, sadly.

I don't even consider Brady the MVP on the Pats this year.

Goes Revis, Gronk, Brady, Collins.

Obviously Brady is the only one who COULD win it, but I think those 4 have had an AMAZING season. Rodgers, on the other hand, is carrying the Packers.

 

Dec 23, 2014

@Fitz you have a point about QB's throwing up to play makers and just having them make a play which might cushion their stats but even with QB's that do that a lot, for instance you brought up Mathew Stafford, don't have all that good stats. Statistically, Stafford had one really good year in 2011 but all his other years have been pretty ehhh mediocre to average at best, especially the last couple seasons.

I'm not sure how many Cowboy games you've watched over the years Fitz but Romo does do a lot of the things you talk about. He's one of the best in the league at recognizing a blitz, he can look off and hold a safety real well etc. He's been doing this for a while now and like you explained with Big Ben, he hasn't had a very good supporting cast for a majority of his career. Poor offensive lines, historically bad defenses, he even had an old/aging Roy Williams as his #1 receiver for a couple years lol but he's some how been able to make it work and still keep the Cowboys competitive.

 

Dec 23, 2014

I don't think I rated Romo bad though lol. I said I'd just give the nod to Eli. It's not a wide margin, if that's what you're wondering. I just can't negate the fact that Eli was a HUGE reason for the Giants winning two Super Bowls. Two epic drives.

In the list I put in front of Romo, the only one I feel off about is Eli. The others? No way. I'd pick them.

Romo, Eli, Ryan, Newton, Flacco, Palmer, are all pretty close. You could make a case for any of them. I'd just give the nod to Eli because I've seen him perform in the clutch, in high pressure situations twice. I feel he'd somehow find a way to win it.

 

Dec 23, 2014

It won't be long before people are putting Bridgewater in that discussion with the Ryans, Newtons, Flaccos, etc. So f---in happy that (I think) the Vikings finally have their QB of the future, been waiting so long for this lol. Some of you guys have no idea how it is following a team for years with a s--- QB, not fun at all. Teddy's got the right attitude, work ethic and has been improving already. I think he's gonna be a smart player too which is a major advantage and he doesn't seem to be nervous in clutch situations which is very impressive for a rookie, great sign.

He's done very well these past couple months even with a HORRIBLE offensive line, no receiver threats and no great or even good RBs. Vikings better give him a line and 1 or 2 offensive weapons next year. Cordarelle Patterson is looking like a total bust and has a s--- attitude to go with it, not totally ready to give up on him but it's looking bad. He needs to be motivated next year in training camp to prove people wrong or he's done with the Vikes if he's not already.

I'm biased in this situation but I do think it's pretty obvious he's been better than Bortles, Carr and obviously Manziel so far.

 

Dec 23, 2014

Yeah Bridgewater has really stood out among the young QB's in the league which isn't surprising because most we saying coming out of the draft he was the most NFL ready. Hopefully Vikings can continue to develop him and put pieces around him.