May 7, 2016

So we can all agree J Reed= Young Gates

 

May 7, 2016

Everyone gonna be so pissed when Jimmy G goes 4-0.

 

May 7, 2016

its very redskin like for them to pay him as soon as they did. he obviously did great last season, but that was only one year.

i hope he continues to play well, but putting him in the same breath as antonio gates is a bold statement. dude is a future Hall of Famer

 

May 7, 2016

Gronk and Bennett are better than him anyways.

Like, how yall gonna deal with those two?

 

May 7, 2016

True true. Price cud easily have went way up if he replicated this past year tho.
The dude wasn't even a major part of the offense until like midway through nd put up basically a stack receiving w/ 11 tds(show me another TE in the game giving u balance nd value like that not named Gronk)
Plus guarantee money not that high AND w/ injury protections that kick in if he misses games

 

May 7, 2016

Relax

Olsen, Bennett, Walker, Kelce, Barnidge, Eifert.

Reed had a breakout year, but who knows if he can duplicate it. I have the same questions for Barnidge and Eifert, also Ben Watson.

Before this year, Reed was pretty average and didn't do much. It could've been because of the whole RG3 thing, but who knows.

But, saying that he's the only one, not named Gronk, that gives you true value at the tight end position is absurd lol.

Anyways, I don't really mind the signing for the Redskins. Great tight ends are hard to find, but can make your offense unstoppable if used correctly.

 

May 7, 2016

Bruh u gonna come at me at least be able to back it up.
NONE of the dudes u just mentioned put double digits TDs/YDs (or came close really) other than G Barnidge he 30 already
Reed been flashes potential since his rookie year, He led nfl in yds per route last year btw. Only question w/ dude is/was health.
Good thing starting lst year, no coincidence, he got in the best shape in his life... results followed even tho he missed 2 games nd came up short of a thou by like 50 yds
W/ better qb play nd the weapons in this O no reason he shouldnt ball out once again. If not, prolly cause of injury, we in a decent position to get out of it contractually nd depth wise w/ a niles paul.

Olsen my guy too but if we talking getting open on a crucial 3rd down im only taking gronk over reed.

P.S. Last 5 games Cousins was like 28/30 throwing to this guy lmaoooo miss me w/ that delanie walker s---

 

May 7, 2016

Yall really not grasping the fact that the skins are ran like a professional organization now
Yall learn tho. Scotty Mac getting us right

 

May 7, 2016

He had one really good season.... Relaaaaaaaaax.

You know what he did before that?

2 seasons, 3 TDs.

I can go into your franchise's history, of a tight end named Chris Cooley, who almost had an identical start to his career, yet faded into the abyss.

Cooley, at least, strung together a few good years though.

I'm not saying Reed won't be good/great, but you're acting like he's hands down the next Antonio Gates.

I mean, you just made excuses for Reed, but then gloss over the fact that Eifert started 2 less games than Reed, and he had 40 less targets lol.

If you don't believe me that players can just fall off at the tight end position, just look at Jimmy Graham. Nobody is even mentioning this guy, yet 2-3 years ago, he was battling with Gronk as the best tight end in the game.

So, as I said, RELAAAAAAX. The Sharpe's, Gonsalves, Gates, and Gronks of the world are f---ing rare, and you're acting like Reed is a shoe-in to have more monster years to come.

You know what makes me question it?

He just earned a big contract, bigger than he ever expected to make. Usually players, after a big contract, become complacent.

 

May 7, 2016

See but what occured w/ a dude like graham... he changed teams. If we can keep Cousins nd reed together, in this offense, no reason he shouldnt ball out
I hear what u saying i might be little optimistic but i saw from dude down the stretch was special including that playoff game which skins lost for other reasons.
As of right now i wud say Reed= Aaron Hernandez w/ the potential of a gates (which if u look at his career #s that match up pretty well w/ reeds last year btw- just about consistency) Dude just gives u so much value

P.S. Effiert is nice an all but i wud rather have a TE that consistently stretches all parts of the field not only the last 20. Plus I never seen any of the top TE drop as many passes as that one primetime game last year sheesh. 13 tds is legit tho

As for ur last comment.. u could literally say that about any player in the league... so unless u know something i dont bout dude....

 

May 7, 2016

Dude missed 7 games last year (ineffective in the next 2 or so also)

Captain Obvious: this team going as far as Kirk arm can take em

 

May 7, 2016

Redskins s---

 

May 8, 2016

You said he's better and more complete than any tight end other than Gronk, and I just don't believe that to be true.

You just blew it off like there's NO QUESTION that Reed is a top 3 tight end in the NFL. That's what I have a problem with. I find those tight ends to be more viable.

Tight end is a difficult position to consistently compete at an elite level.

For one, it's rare that an offense runs through the tight end, unless they're special, and THAT is very, very unlikely.

If your offense runs through your tight end, you're in trouble.

An underrated element for tight ends, is run blocking purposes.

It's one reason that I named Walker/Barnidge/Eifert/Kelce.

I left off Celek, Witten and Miller though, because they're not as dominant in the passing game, and we were going for versatility.

If your tight end is not respected as a run blocker, defenses will put cornerbacks on them, and it'll slow down their production quickly.

Brian Celek, although not explosive in the passing game, might be the best blocking tight end in football (and, to me, makes him a top 5 tight end), same as Heath Miller, Martellus Bennett, and Delanie Walker is up there too.

Celek is elite though, and gets zero praise because he doesn't light it up in fantasy football.

You look at someone like Kyle Rudolph, and people think he's a bust because of his lack of production in the passing game, but the Vikings put a lot of pressure on him to help in the running and passing game, for blocking purposes. He's a huge reason Adrian Peterson's production.

Now, if we're talking about the GREAT tight ends (Gates, Gronk, Sharpe, etc)? What makes them great is play action.

Gonsalves, Sharpe and Gates f---ing MURDERED it in play action. That's where tight ends do a B*** of their damage. They play on the line, and get matched up with linebackers.

If linebackers don't respect your blocking abilities, they'll be more prone to anticipate your routes rather than your blocks for play action.

The idea of play action is to bite on the run and belief that you have to FIGHT through a block to make a tackle or occupy a gap.

If you don't have that threat, teams will key on you more.

Like you said, I look at Reed a lot like Aaron Hernandez, but that's not necessarily a great thing either.

Hernandez was a liability as a primary tight end, when Gronk would miss games.

As much as I loved Hernandez, to me, he was never going to be a long term elite tight end. I thought he was a great complimentary player to Gronk.

He was basically a slower receiver who wasn't good at blocking.

I just did a little research on Reed's blocking abilities, and apparently he's a liability as well. He was penalized the most on the Redskins offense for holding, in terms of yards, which really kills his value at the position.

I played tight end, and it's a very difficult position. That's why I have respect for Miller, Walker, Witten, etc.

 

May 8, 2016

tl;dr

Tight end position's more than being a receiver. Gotta run block bruh.

 

May 8, 2016

yeah i agree, he's clearly doing better than bruce allen did.

it'll be interesting to see if cousins can be consistent. if he can, the redskins have the potential to have a good offense. reed, jackson, the new WR doctson, etc. as long as you guys can run the ball a little to keep teams honest, skins could be very dangerous offensively

 

May 8, 2016

I agree. I've heard a few analysts saying Doctson was the best receiver in the draft. They still have Vernon Davis as a 2nd tight end too.

 

May 9, 2016

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I respect this. Ur completely right hes part of the reason our run game was so out of whack.
Its also why he didnt go any higher than 3rd round along w/ health reasons
Watching every skins game and practically every snap I can tell u a decent amount of those holding calls were easily fixable w/ further coaching and experience. Its not like dude was getting man handled down there, he was holding his own. The better he gets at this the better nd more explosive this offense, like u said, nd w/ vernon davis(YES VERNON DAVIS) along w/ niles paul who is underrated and hurt all last year this O cud run so many more sets if hes a viable blocker.

Still i have not seen a TE able to get open like this guy. And the part that u mentioned about Aaron H. struggling as a #1 TE (W/ a Brady) doesn't even apply to reed who was playing w/ a dude traded for a like a 6th rounder (AND w/o jackson for half the year) But yea dude sucks at blocking but still manages to get open, that is only facts, if he can improve on his blocking thats gravy, until then line him up in the slot nd let him eat if need be

3 wide set of jackson, reed , nd doctson shud be pretty fun to watch

PS: dude was a qb not so long ago..lol give em some time.. even still u cant really think there is 5 dudes u'd rather have at the position going forward

 

May 9, 2016

Buttttt won the division 2/4 years
coming off a promising draft too but yea u right skins s---

 

May 9, 2016

True, but now coordinators will start to roll coverage to him, match up cornerbacks or safeties on him, and might disrespect his ability to be effective in the running game.

As I said, play action is what REALLY separates the great tight ends from the average or flash in the pans.

Reed isn't a wide receiver or a slot receiver. If he starts becoming that, his career will dwindle, because defenses will treat him as such, rather than putting a linebacker on him, in case it's a run. They'll stick an extra safety, or even a corner on him, because they'll just look at him as a slow receiver.

It's important, for his career, that he becomes a great run blocker, because he'll continue drawing matchups from linebackers, and he'll destroy them.

Like, I HATE when Gronk is lined up as a receiver, because it takes away his ability to dominate against linebackers. However, some teams, for whatever reason, will get confused and line up a backer on Gronk, even at wide receiver (like in the Super Bowl). But, I think that has a lot to do with sub packages, and preparing for the run, because Gronk is an EXCELLENT run blocker, so they have to prepare for the run.

That's why I love the Bennett pickup for the Pats, because you have two great run blocking tight ends, who can dominate linebackers in the passing game. Like, you can't roll out 4 cornerbacks on their offense, or they'll just run it down your throats. It's a gigantic advantage.

 

May 9, 2016

Lol let em roll coverages.
playing man on D jack on the outside or doctson, or garcon, or crowder, or Vernon... either way Kirk shud be good