Jan 8, 2015

You're forgetting to mention that Smith and that niners offense as a whole was pretty dreadful not just in 2010 but for several years prior to Harbaugh. He turned a QB who struggled his entire career and made him into an efficient systematic QB. He got the entire offense to click on all cylinders. Yes, Fangio helped on the other side but the 49ers defense was already on the rise prior to Fangio coming to SF. In 2009 49ers defense ranked 5th in the NFL and 14th in 2010 yet both those seasons you saw the niners miss the playoffs due to their lack of an offense. Harbaugh and Roman to his credit as well, came in and fixed that. 2009/2010 49ers were in the position that the Browns are in now.

 

Jan 8, 2015

Good luck getting another good coach.

With healthy Cards and Rams teams next year, I predict the 49ers never leading in a division game and Kaep publicly demanding a trade and sucking until he gets one.

 

Jan 8, 2015

Alex career prior to 2010

2005 rookie year thrown into playing time behind the worst oline in football and a terrible team around him with little to no talent yet. Mike MCCarthy was OC

2006, under Norv Turner led a top 10 offense. Norv left for SD after that season

2007 Jim Hostler 1st time OC. Fired at end of season. Worst offense.

2008 Hurt in preseason, ended season on IR. Mike Martz was OC. Lost Start job to JT O'Sullivan.

2009 Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye, was benched in favor of Shaun Hill.

2010 already discussed

Alex was f----- from the start. Jim did what any decent coach would of done. Played to his strengths like Norv Turner did. So Jim wasn't the first coach to have success with Alex.

 

Jan 8, 2015

49ers offense averaged 18.6 points per game in 2006 bruh... That was good for 24th in the league that year. Even in yards per game that offense ranked among the bottom of the league, 26th. Alex Smith that year was mediocre at best throwing 16 TD's to 16 interceptions.

 

Jan 8, 2015

Sorry didn't mean Alex led the offense I meant Turner. That year the team was run heavy behind Gores 1600 yard season. Norv managed Smith well for it being his 2nd season as a QB.

Jim did a great job with Alex. But Alex, nor SFs offense never improved in the statistical categories that are huge for QBs, 3rd down efficiency, red zone productivity, end of half or games.

 

Jan 8, 2015

I'd like to know who's going to be the replacement to take the 49ers to the next level.

San Fran had issues with suspensions, injuries, and Kaepernick regressing, NOT their coaching. Harbaugh is just becoming your scape goat, which is cool, but in a few years, you'll miss him.

 

Jan 8, 2015

@Johny Bravo

Anyways, @Heisenberg I always respect your posts concerning football, but I just strongly disagree. Both Harbaughs are great coaches and elevated both the Ravens and 49ers to the next level. The 49ers problems stemmed from a lot more than Harbaugh. At least Harbaugh gave you guys consistency.

If it's true that the players no longer played for Harbaugh, that is the 49ers' organization's fault more than Harbaugh. Being a "tough" coach is a good thing at the NFL level. The problem is, you need a strong front office to follow through on disciplinary actions. If they're not doing that, then the head coach has no shot.

Bill Belichick would fail if the Patriots' front office didn't back him. That's what it seems like happened to Harbaugh and the 49ers.

A great head coach is HARD to find in the NFL.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Maybe the 49ers can get Singletary back.

 

Jan 9, 2015

I'm not saying Harbaugh wasn't a great coach. He is a great coach. His resume speaks for itself. But people acting like SF will fall into another decade long drought. SF will be fine.

I would like Fangio to take over as HC, promote Donatell to DC, and go after Scott Frost for OC. But that won't happen. I think Fangio will get it and it he'll go after Kyle Shanahan for his OC. Which I could live with. Wouldn't be thrilled but I could live with it.

 

Jan 9, 2015

SF still has potential to be a great team. They will never be as bad as the raiders lmao. I see them making the playoffs next season without Harbaugh.

 

Jan 9, 2015

You got tore apart in this thread mane. All your 49er jokes about losing Harbaugh backfired with Heisenberg agreeing with me. Continue riding the Seattle bandwagon.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Fact is, a head coach makes these coordinators look good. There's obviously exceptions to the rule, but it's RARE that solid coordinators translate into great NFL coaches.

There's SO MUCH that goes into head coaching, and I think you're underestimating it.

Harbaugh had GREAT game planning, GREAT attention to detail, GREAT play designs, GREAT hiring of staff... He brought consistency to the 49ers.

Coordinators don't have to worry about that. They're basically consultants to the head coach. I think people think that coordinators come up with the plays or their philosophies. NO. That's not even remotely true.

Everything is overseen and scrutinized by the head coach, NOT the coordinators. The head coach TEACHES the coordinators, who TEACHES the positional coaches. The head coach even comes up with certain techniques to teach to the players.

Everything is done to the head coach's bidding. Scouting, drafts, trades, game planning, play calling, play designs, etc. Everything is to fit their system.

You have a SURE THING in Harbaugh. A proven NFL head coach. That is not easily replaced. I think you're minimizing just how important he was to your team's success.

 

Jan 9, 2015

I don't know if they'll be as bad as the Raiders, that was just a joke.

But, I'll tell you this, with Harbaugh? You had a chance every season

 

Jan 9, 2015

Let's not forget that if Harbaugh was some great, elite coach a team in the nfl would have threw a large amount of money at him. No team was desperate enough to try and throw him big dollars because most people realize he doesn't fit in with nfl players too well.

 

Jan 9, 2015

He didn't even give teams an opportunity to do this. He went straight to college.

I'd like to know who you'd put ahead of Harbaugh as an NFL head coach.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Harbaugh has gone on record that he didn't get involved on the defensive side of things. He was more on the offense. Kaep regressed and SF had the worst 2nd half offense in the NFL. Shows me that the whole offensive unit and coaching staff was being out coached, out game planned, and out preformed. The offense continued to get shut down in the 2nd half of games. Now Kaep and injuries to the o line contributed to that as well. But it still showed up at the worst times other years.

2011 NFCC game vs the gaints. Only converted 1 3rd down all game long.
2012 Super Bowl, failed to score on 4 downs down by the goal line. 0 carries for Gore.
2013 NFCC, Out coached by half time adjustments as Cliff Avil and Micheal Bennett terrorized our oline and un able to adjust to it after having shut them down all 1st half.

Those are mere examples of of many late game situations The offense failed to adapt and have success.

Great coaches are hard to come by, yes, and one of the things you missed on list of what makes coaches great is being able to adjust and fix things that are wrong. Harbaugh struggled with that. Now was that something he could of changed with time. Maybe, but we won't find out in SF.

Also SF tried to extend Harbaugh twice. He turned down contract extensions after 2012 and 2013.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Can I get confirmation of this?

Not saying I don't believe you, but I've only heard of a FEW head coaches ever admitting this. One being Mike Holmgren.

If that's true, then maybe I'll soften my stance on this issue, but not by much.

Also, I think Kaepernick regressing has a TON to do with the offense's lack of production.

You can blame Harbaugh, but I've heard Kaep barely watches film and cares more about the weight room than studying.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Yeah I can get that for you, I'll look for the article.

And yeah Kaepernicks hard work was never the questioned, it was where he was focusing it on. Reports were he was always spending more time in the weight room than the film room. Supposedly he's working out this off season with Kurt Warner and Dennis Gile down in Phoenix at EXO institution. Not a bad start, but he should go work out at Duke with the Mannings and David Cuttclife QB coach. Tony Romo worked out there last off season.

 

Jan 9, 2015

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/01/report_nfl_tells_dallas_cowboy.html

NFL tells Cowboys they missed 7 penalties on Lions last week.

@Legendary @Boos @Kon @M.I.C.

 

Jan 9, 2015

Lol d--- Enigma, just let it go man, you guys should be excited about the game this weekend, actually got a decent shot to win if Rodgers isn't 100%. No one's said all the calls favored Dallas, just the crucial and more noticeable ones it seemed. That's my opinion from watching the game.