Jan 10, 2015

I shouldn't even have to explain this, but I'm NOT saying that:
1. Russell Wilson is a better player than Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning
2. Russell Wilson had a better season statistically than any of them

What I am saying is that I'd rather have Russell Wilson right now, in a playoff game, over any of them barring maybe Brady. He seemed to have more TD's than Cam Newton tonight, but it's cute that Cam was "in the 30's."

Okay "Guerilla Unit" you seem pretty d--- knowledgable!

 

Jan 10, 2015

Nevermind then, but you seem to have misread my post though because i said all of them "besides cam"

 

Jan 10, 2015

Sorry dude but disagree. Wilson throws a pretty deep ball and does a nice job escaping when the edge rushers crash in. He looks at his first or second read and then plays backyard football which him and his WR are in sync with running so credit to them for that. But a playoff game, final drive where a QB has to line up and carve up a defense? Give me Rodgers or Brady.

Edit, just re read your post never mind mine.

 

Jan 10, 2015

I was with guerilla unit but this post made it clear what you said. I respect that. Hard to argue against Wilson right now I guess. It's all preference. No bad choice at this point in the playoffs I guess.

 

Jan 10, 2015

It's just lazy and ridiculous logic to say Wilson wins because of his defense. The Broncos defense was way better than the Seahawks defense throughout the entire season and the Seahawks won 12 games despite the slow start. They weren't winning games early in the season because of defensive magic, they were beating the Broncos in 26-20 in OT because Russell was throwing throwing for 300 yards and rushing for 50 and making huge plays in crucial situations. And also beating the Packers, with 2 TD's and no picks to Rodgers' 1 TD and 1 pick. Big game Russ just doing it big. All while having a worse offensive line when it comes to pass blocking (amount of dropback time he has).

 

Jan 10, 2015

Yeah, Green Bay can definitely win in Seattle. Just gotta get past these cowboys

 

Jan 10, 2015

Agree with many of your points but this just flat out isn't true no matter how you look at it.

 

Jan 10, 2015

Total Defense (YPG) Complete List
1. Seattle Seahawks 267.1
2. Detroit Lions 300.9
3. Denver Broncos 305.2

Passing (YPG) Complete List
1. Seattle Seahawks 185.6
Denver is 9th

Rushing (YPG)Complete List
1. Detroit Lions69.3
2. Denver Broncos79.8
3. Seattle Seahawks81.5

^Okay about a yard and a half difference there.

Seattle's also 1st in defensive efficiency and Denver is 4th. Seattle also gave up less points per game throughout the year.


I don't get what MIC is talking about lol, how has Denver been way better on defense the whole year?...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2014&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

 

Jan 10, 2015

Rodgers played that game only using half the field, for whatever reason they deemed it part of their gameplay to avoid one side of the field. Also a rookie center starting on opening night, centers are the field generals of the offensive line as I know you know. Also if I'm not mistaken Wilson's drop back time is altered by his scrambling ability, I could be wrong on that though.

I'm just saying I don't use that game between Rodgers and Wilson as a measuring stick. I fully expect GB to go back to Seattle for the NFCC game and think A healthy Rodgers and Oline win up there.

 

Jan 10, 2015

"Way better" is a stretch but these are absolutely awful stats to prove that Seattle's D was better than Denver's. Here are some premium stats that I pay for from Pro Football Focus, which is the industry standard for player and team grading. I don't know if you're familiar but quite a bit more than Rushing YPG and Passing YPG goes into their grading.

 

Jan 11, 2015

Seahawks D got better near the end of the year too, the last 6 weeks they gave up 3, 3, 14, 7, 6 and 6 points. I like Denver more than Seattle btw but there's really no argument that Denver's had a better defense throughout the whole year lol..

*edit* the biggest difference in those stats you posted are penalties and special teams lol, and I don't see anything about turnovers there. Either way, Seattle's D gives up less points which is all that matters in the end. Seattle's D did struggle at first but near the end of the year, they became themselves again, clearly the best D in the league when they play like they have the last 6-7 weeks.

 

Jan 11, 2015

No, dropback time doesn't include scrambling time and I didn't say that was my measuring stick but this debate is pointless

 

Jan 11, 2015

Well for starters Denver had a lot more sacks, 46-37. Denver also had more QB hits, more QB hurries, more batted passes and 22 more defensive stops. But keep copying and pasting links from f---ing ESPN acting like you know what you're talking about.

 

Jan 11, 2015

It says Brocos in the header, @Mike Tyson.

 

Jan 11, 2015

I don't see how those are more important than points per game and yards per game, plus some defenses are on the field more which can be a reason for those numbers. Your stats earlier also mentioned nothing about turnovers and as I said the biggest differences in the stats you listed before are in penalties and special teams. Like I said Seattle started the year out bad, but lately when their D is playing how they do, they're clearly the best D in the league. Just compare the last 7 or 8 weeks and it's pretty obvious, I'm sure you can spin it some other way if you focus on specific things.

Does anyone else agree Denver has a better D? This is a waste of time, just watch the games and it's pretty obvious. Detroit would probably have a better argument, Denver's inconsistent lately while Seattle's been rolling for 2 months.

I'm not gonna pretend I watch every Denver or Seattle game and I'm sure you don't either, but this is the first I've heard anyone mention that Denver's D is even comparable to Seattle's since the preseason when they had high hopes. I'd easily take Seattle's D in a must win playoff game over anybody.

Anyways if you really feel that way, fine, at least you're making a bold statement I guess.

 

Jan 11, 2015

Those stats are too general. Turnovers don't happen very frequently and most times when an INT happens it's because of a QB hurry. You have to break it down more than just pass yards allowed and rush yards allowed and points allowed.... why was the defense in certain situations to be allowing points? Where did the drives start? The best way to break it down is through the stats like QB hurries and pass deflections, tackles for a loss etc. because that is what actually makes up the story of an entire defense.

I don't watch every Seattle game or every Denver game but I do watch film when I can and I know both of their defenses very well. I read the detailed stats pretty much every week and see the broken down grades all the time.

 

Jan 11, 2015

15.94 points per game vs. 22.12 points per game, in the end the score's all that matters. If you only look at the last couple months when the Hawks started playing like they do around this time, I'm sure it's even more lopsided.

But fair enough, I'm done here too, gonna try to research this a bit later though so I can try to understand your point of view.

 

Jan 11, 2015

Let's go Packers!.. Let's go Colts!

 

Jan 11, 2015

It's really not that big of a deal, it's one small thing I said in a big chunk of things I said. I wouldn't break your neck over trying to figure out why I think Denver has the better of two top 3 defenses. It's just not that important.

 

Jan 11, 2015

I know it's not but I'm just curious, cuz everything else I've read/heard/seen doesn't have them very close. My bad though I wasn't trying to start a big debate, just thought it sounded kinda crazy at first but maybe there's a little reason behind it. I just think when Seattle's D is at their best, they're not only the best D in the league but one of the best in recent memory.

The playoffs is really what matters though so let's see how Denver does tomorrow against Luck. I don't count today's game much for Seattle cuz they were playing Carolina lol.