Nov 23, 2015 I took a side mission where I had to follow this dude through a building... ...npc walks into a bathroom stall and is now stuck there, trying to walk through the wall.
Nov 24, 2015 this game looks so incredibly s-----y for a major release in 2015. the story is weak, the characters are weak, the only things that stand out is the crafting/fighting and setting.
Nov 25, 2015 again how can you judge any of these things if you haven't played it Don't be a sheep and listen to @theg dude is a troll
Nov 25, 2015 Lmao theg is far from a troll. He stated valid reasons as to why this game isn't up to par with its competitors. And I definitely agree with him to an extent. This feels far from a 2015 AAA title. I still like the game but I haven't played in more than a week. Don't feel like going back to it regularly
Nov 25, 2015 how am i a troll you r-----? the story is s---, the game is half finished, the user reviews (the ones that weren't paid for) are AWFUL, you're railroaded in every single decision in the game, the dialogue wheel is s---, the AI is s---, the graphics are s---. it has the worst dialogue and voice acting I've heard in a game since fallout 3. the writing is f---ing awful. im not trolling about s--- this game is genuinely awful. please prove me wrong on ONE thing there. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4
Nov 25, 2015 Pros: >It's made by Bethesda >They made Oblivion, remember Oblivion? >This game would be impressive if it came out the year Oblivion did. Cons: >Couple game breaking bugs >barely runs >glitchy shitfest >none of your decisions matter >not even the skills you pick or character building matters because you can unlock every perk in one playthrough >you can literally get glitched out of starting and ending quests >breaking the map is incredibly easy >you have no idea what you're about to say when you pick an option >companions often k--- themselevs (and sometimes you ) light 9.5/10
Nov 25, 2015 Alright, I shall attempt to take down every one of your "points" once and for all. 1. The story being s--- is your opinion. Bethesda has never been known for their writing abilities. FO3's story was horribly cliched, Skyrims was bland and unremarkable. I think FO4 is much better than both of these story wise, partially because the Voiced protagonist adds more emotional depth (not as good as witcher 3 tho). I think the dialogue is much better too, especially in regards to main quests/ companions. You can't tell me that the conversation with Kellog wasn't great dialogue. Nick is also a very well written character, along with many other companions. 2. If you want to talk about games being "half finished" look at MGSV. The story wasn't even finished and theres a whole chapter that was left out for no reason. A game being buggy doesn't equal "not finished", in a game as huge as this there are always going to be bugs because there are so many variables and moving parts. In no other open world game is every object something you can interact with. No matter how many QA testers they have there will always be bugs, and to their credit, they've already released the 1st patch. 3. The game got metabombed right after release by people giving it 0/10's after barely or not even playing it. A few hours is not enough to register an opinion on a game like this. You need at least 30-40 hours to form an actual credible opinion. That being said, the user reviews have been going up steadily since release, and the critics love the game. Also, if you look at steam reviews, over 80% of them are positive. So unless bethesda is paying off 1000's of people, I'd say theres a fair amount of people besides me who really like this game. 4. There is much less player choice and branching dialogue in this game, which is a minus. I already have a mod that removes the dialogue wheel tho so that doesn't bother me as much, but the lack of skill checks and s--- is something that bothers me and we can agree on. That is not the be all end all however. 5. IMO the AI is not s---. Never before in a bethesda game have I been flanked by super mutans and raiders like I have in this game, also they utilize cover at all times and take potshots, moving up and healing themselves in the process. 6. Graphics are also very subjective, but you're lying if you don't think they're a major step up from fo3/skyrim. I have all these games on my PC, and fo4 on ultra with full AA and godrays looks beautiful. Probably not as good as witcher 3 does, since I have it on ps4, but it's definetley not "made in 2004" like some idiots are saying. I'll agree however that the facial/character animations are horrrific, and although they're a step up from previous, still should be improved. This is a result of the archaic gamebryo/creation engine, which they very much need to ditch. Also you said how environments are just "copy pasted" in your last post. You prop up witcher 3 so much, but fail to realize almost every house and location is the same. And theres about the same 6 NPC's in the game with the same ugly a--- bowlcut. while in Fallout 4 almost every building and location is unique. Also, it's a lot easier to get away with how textures look in a third person game, because you're not zoomed in. If you played witcher in 1st person, you'd see it doesn't look that great either. Hopefully I proved my case in this rant. @ThyNeighbour
Nov 25, 2015 ok no let me stop you in your first sentence. the story is objectively s---. MUH FAMILY is a s-----y plot device. It's very basic and uninspired. Couple that with the fact that it's supposed to be an RPG and it makes even less sense, since your character is in a bound personality with a wife and family. Your character automatically supports the military because he was willfully enrolled. He likes kids because he had a planned child. He likes women because he was married to and had a child with and was in love with a woman. The trek to find a lost family member is not only something that is a cliche in general, but it's already been dont in fallout 3, just in stead of looking for your dad you switched it and you're looking for your son. It's basic. It's cliche. It's corny. It's objectively bad. You're allowed to like bad things. That's where the opinion comes in. You don't decide whether it's good or bad. That's not what an opinion is. Your opinion comes in where you're presented a plate of s--- and say "This is delicious may I have some more?" Where other people are going to say "this is f---in gross dude its a plate of s---" you're allowed to say "MM-MM I SURE LOVE TO EAT s---!". It doesn't change the fact that you're eating s---. "They're known for making s--- so why would you expect it to be good?" you've gotta be pulling my leg here. the voice actor is f---ing s---. He isn't good at his job, but besides that, robert f---ing dinero couldnt make the absolute trash they wrote passable. there's no emotional depth. I don't think you know what that word means. "Let's go, pal." "Let's f--- some s--- up." He has the same monotonous delivery for every r-----ed line of 1int teir dialogue he spews from his word hole. 100% objectively false. I dont mean to be rude but are you in grade school? how is nick a well written character? he's a f---ing robot detective from the 50s. he has no depth he's a f---ing extra from the jetsons. The kellog dialogue consisted of them HAMMERING the fact that your son is an old man now into your head OVER AND f---ing OVER as if they didnt make it obvious enough already. Just because you're too stupid to pick up on the awful writing (Like I already brought up about nick not mentioning seeing kellogg with sean was 50 f---ing YEARS AGO, and the assistant being like, 30 at most and still some how remembering kellogg from 20 years before she was born) (btw kellogg didnt age a day from the time you see him in the chryotube to the time you see him in the fight with him) doesn't make it good writing. ok MGS V is also half finished. what does that have to do with fallout lol? at least they finished the portion they released. actually reading this "point" im convinced you must have quoted me by accident because that has nothing to do with what I said. MGSV is irrelevant to this debate. fallout is a broken heap, just like FONV was, just like FO3 was. you aren't being serious, right? I'm being trolled? is that it? if you're getting locked out of quests because of glitches in <6 hours into the game then yeah it's an issue and it's more than enough to form an opinion. It takes maybe an hour to realize how f---ing awful the dialogue wheel is (which is like 50% of the appeal of fallout games btw, the dialogue trees) ((inb4 NO IT ISNT)) not the be all end all but its what makes fallout fallout and if you want a s-----y fps you play call of duty or something, if you want a story thrown together with scraps and stuck together with chewing gum you play assassins creed, so without all the character progression (again ruined by the dialogue wheel and voiced protag) then its just a s-----y fps with substantially sub par graphics for 2015 but you've been flanked in other games right? the AI would have been nice in 2007. unfortunately it's 2015(almost 16) and adding improvements that other games have had to the ai (while keeping it dumb as f--- in bethesda fashion) just doesn't cut the mustard. you are objectively wrong if you think the AI doesn't s---. I've seen super mutants walk out of buldings and fall to the ground because the AI didnt realize they ran out of floor to walk on. you're misusing subjective again. it's s---. you can have a 6 year old draw a picture of you. it's going to look like s--- but you're free to like it. bruh skyrim and fo3 looked like s--- when they came out compared to other games at the time as well. and that was 8 f---ing YEARS ago. they HAVE to be a step up. how is that even an argument? it's been 2 years short of a decade. they've gone from NES to ps2 in that span of time. of course they're going to be better than a game that looked like s--- in 2008 FO4 on ultra still has muddy s-----y textures, flat bland models, s-----y gamebryo lighting and non existent AAing.
Nov 26, 2015 Alright bruh I don't think we're getting anywhere. It's OK if you don't like the game, not everyone can, and it certianly has its flaws. But trying to force your OPINIONS on everyone else as if they're FACTS is just pure ignorance. The story is not "objectively s---", it's your opinion. May I point out that the witcher 3's story also revolves around FINDING A LOST FAMILY MEMBER, so at least be fair and say how horribly cliche and corny that is then. Also glitches/bugs dont happen to everyone. In all my hundreds of hours playing fo3/skyrim/fo4 I never once ran into a game breaking bug. So should I hate the game just because others are having issues? And yes, graphics are subjective. People DO see things differently than others after all. And as far as 6 year olds go, I think my 6 year old niece is better at having civil discussions than you, childish, arrogant, ignorant s---.
Nov 26, 2015 ^the opposite of what i said you f---ing mong. i said it's s--- but you're allowed to like it. r-----.
Nov 26, 2015 Yes but you're saying it's s--- like it's a FACT that I'm choosing to ignore. It's like saying "the sky is blue, but you can think it's yellow". When it isn't a fact. d--- you got me
Nov 26, 2015 lmao your 6 year old niece might have better reading comprehension than you too, because you're either f---ing r-----ed or completely strawmanning rn. your example is so r-----ed. it actually proves my point. it's objective fact the sky is blue. if you want to think it's yellow, you're allowed to. no one can stop you. you can sit there and think "wow look at that yellow f---in sky.". it doesn't change the fact that the sky is blue. i've listed objective facts and all you can say in response is B-B-BUT I LIKE IT. GRAPHICS ARE SUBJECTIVE. 128x128 TEXTURES ARE ACCEPTABLE IN 2015. Game looks like s---, runs like s---, plays like s---, has s--- writing, VO (like all bethesda games), and actively breaks a lot of the things that people loved about their s-----y past fallout games. Don't quote me again.
Nov 26, 2015 was going to get this but after reading through this thread and seeing my bae @theg completely dismantle it i changed my mind lol
