Jun 27, 2019

holy s--- heyman and bischoff running raw and smackdown? obviously a reaction to AEW. But im optimistic about that. Might actually make me tune back in just to see what they do with it

 

Jun 27, 2019

I can't imagine they're *running* it.

f---ing crazy though. Never thought Vince would accept things are bad, let alone bring in THOSE TWO to try to help. It's really unreal.

 

Jun 27, 2019

well they were named executive directors, so it sounds like the are running it the same way HHH does nxt. Whether vince actually steps aside to let them is another thing.

but yeah this is some crazy news. blew my mind when i read it this morning.

 

Jun 27, 2019

They still have to report to Vince. If Vince doesn't like it, it's not happening. The question is if Paul or Eric can break through.

I think SmackDown with Eric is going to be an absolute disaster - totally unqualified - but it's something, and that's good.

 

Jun 27, 2019

Exactly. And i hope they can because anything is better then what they have going on right now. I'll tune back in to see how it pans out anyway.

 

Jun 28, 2019

Bischoff running Smackdown on Fox is insanity...I've seen him on the Starrcast live shows the last two years and the man couldn't even stop slurring his words for an hour long live podcast. This is going to be a disaster lol

Idk if Paul, since he's already there, had first choice on which show to run but I could totally see him, the evil genius that he is, picking Raw- knowing full well it's safe on USA and being the fall guy for SD on Fox is a death sentence.

I really hope this means they go back to a hard brand split and do away with this wild card bs. What would be the point of having Paul in charge on one show and Eric in charge of the other if the shows are still going to use all the same talent and storylines?

 

Jun 28, 2019

I just assumed that even if Vince wanted Eric's help, it wouldn't be Raw. The optics of that just look bad. In defense of Starrcast, he was hammered both times. He's very coherent and a great speaker on 83 Weeks, even if you can immediately tell when he's bullshitting.

He also, for being out of touch, has a more hard nosed, believable preference when it comes to the wrestling he does or has liked in the past. Paul is open to everything, which is the real difference here. There has be a true brand split because those two aren't going to work out together if they aren't.

 

Jun 28, 2019

Yeah I hope they go all out with this in the sense that Eric and Paul should be in charge behind the scenes, and also play a role on TV..also like @Epitome said get rid of the wild card rule cuz it makes even less sense to keep it with those 2 running separate shows..let the brands have their own styles, stories, wrestlers and take occasional shots at the other brand which would finally make survivor series more exciting..to me the smackdown vs. raw bs was stale at those PPVs.

with that said it sounds like this isn't even starting anytime soon...so I dunno, gotta wait till then I suppose. I enjoyed stomping grounds and am more interested in current WWE than the rest of you it seems, but still i'd be excited for this change and hope it happens sooner rather than later.

 

Jun 28, 2019

...they drew like 2000 paid to SmackDown dude

AND for the love of f---ing Christ keep these two off TV. It's 2019, a heel authority gimmick is f---ing pathetic.

 

Jun 28, 2019

i was at smackdown dude..

thought you were leaving?

 

Jun 28, 2019

...and?

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. I'll never give that company another dime so long as Seth is the top guy though, belieeeeve dat

 

Jun 29, 2019

I’m not sold on Eric in 2019. I mean what do they have to lose at this point though? He’ll have better creative angles than the current team. The bad thing is the story has to go to Vince, he could still turn down Eric’s plans. Vince needs to let them just do their own thing and stay out of the way.

I’m excited for Heyman being the executive for raw. He made smackdown just as good if not better than raw back in the day. Heyman still knows the business well and what people want. That was a good move by the WWE. The current creative team without them just seem lazy and are just satisfied with people signed up to their network tuning in for money. They need to improve ticket sales majorly.

Fox had a meeting with Vince and said the deal may not come through, if ratings don’t go up. I almost feel fox wants Brock as champion so he may not be cashing in until summerslam or so. At least from rumors from channels on YouTube are saying. I mean if you were Fox, would you really give Vince 1 billion for this current smackdown program? f--- no. They would lose money in the end. The good thing out of this is the WWE will have to make drastic changes which should benefit them.

And these same champion rematches are stale as f---. No one wants to watch the same 2 wrestlers go at it 3 ppvs in a row. I’d say Kofis next big name opponent will defeat him, since smackdown views are dropping every week with him as a champ.

 

Jun 29, 2019

@Pinhead Just curious, why do you not like Seth? I find him decent actually. Not sure if he should be a major champ, but compared to the current raw roster, maybe AJ should go over Rollins.

Also, how pissed are you at @Kon for still going to WWE events and supporting them? Do you think he shouldn’t be supporting the wwe at all during the worst slump ever the wwe has been in?

 

Jun 29, 2019

It just baffles me that he was blah on the product last year but in the midst of all this bs he's positive about it. It wasn't good then either, but it keeps getting worse.

As for Seth, he's making himself the face of the company. Talking down other wrestling - that he came from - dumping on his friend, saying they have a better version of Ospreay and that he's a "little guy". He's taken L after L this week, he's become a corporate shill who's happy to be in the bubble. Just embarrassing and disrespectful for someone like him.

 

Jun 29, 2019

d--- @Pinhead throwing shots at @Kon Pinhead, I think Kon secretly wants Reigns or Shane McMahon to beat Kofi for the title.

I agree on some of the stuff you said about Seth. I think during the WWE’s best era’s, he would just be a mid card imo. I still think he wrestles like a mid card. There’s a way more talented wrestlers who can put on a better match than him. In your opinion, who do you think should be Raw champion and Smackdown champion. I personally think Orton should turn heel on Kofi and win the title, while he still has some prime years left. Or maybe have Owens go over him.

On raw, I’m not sure who I want as champion. I can’t remember what show Ricochet was on, but d--- did he impress me and is one of the wwe’s best talented wrestlers. I think him or styles should have the belt over Rollins. Or have Shane beat Rollins first and make him even a more hated heel. Then have Ricochet beat him and I’d think that be a huge push for him.

 

Jun 29, 2019

lmao, I haven't been to a PPV in like 5 years and stomping grounds was nearby so I wanted to go, raw was like an hour away from that so I decided to go, then SD is where I live..

I enjoyed the PPV and it got good reviews overall, better than a lot of the stuff lately..that doesn't mean I think it was perfect or anything, but I had realistic expectations for it and thought it was a good show overall. You kinda know what to expect from the WWE product, you either like it or don't..there's ups and downs. When it''s really poor and there's hardly anyone left who I care about, I'll take a break and come back to it.

There's good stuff on most of their shows, bad stuff too but oh well..just watch it on DVR and skip over the stories/wrestlers you don't care for.. making it through an entire 3 hour raw would be tough, dont get me wrong..although live i think it's a different story.

if you guys hate it enough, just don't watch and come back when you're curious again, simple enough..I've taken plenty of breaks from the product, or had times where I hardly paid attention or just read results online.

 

Jun 29, 2019

@Kon When you only eat s---, suddenly a s--- salad doesn't sound so bad. Dipping in and out, being outside the bubble only further dilutes you. I hear about WWE 5-6 days a week. If we ran through all my issues you probaly haven't even considered half of them. Ratings and tickets have fallen off a cliff, there's great wrestling all over the world, skimming through a THREE HOUR SHOW in 25 minutes on the odd chance something good happens doesn't cut it anymore. You hear about Heyman/Bischoff and you don't see panic? This wild card rule? No more wrestling during commercial breaks and absurd ways of doing it? 24/7? This isn't a wrestling company.

@dna hits Seth is a fantastic wrestler, easy top 10 in the company. No any individual champion is going to solve the creative or booking in this company. The titles are meaningless.

"I guess it upsets him that my junior heavyweight title in New Japan means more than his Universal Championship" - Ospreay

Ha

 

Jun 29, 2019

LIke, I'm into the business. Obviously. If you aren't educated on the modern product you have no means of critiquing it, and unfortunately most WWE fans (especially now) don't have the slightest clue about the business.

 

Jul 14, 2019

I know the wwe hype on this forum is basically dead but anyone watching extreme rules tonight?

Decent card plus it’s in Philly so should be a hot crowd. I’ll be watching most of it at least.

 

Jul 14, 2019

I might try to catch at least Black/Cesaro and Styles/Ricochet