Kendrick Lamar Pitchfork has named "To p---- A Butterfly" the album of the year

Started by MTY, Dec 16, 2015, in Kendrick Lamar Add to Reading List

  1. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Dec 16, 2015
    you think you can treat an album and its broader context as two distinct things to be discussed separately. that's clearly not the case.
     
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  2. Besky
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    Dec 16, 2015
    @Topdawg every artist gets hate... even pac & nas.

    Nas been catching a lot of hate from the mainstream listeners these last few years...they're saying his music is boring as f--- and yet, dude is still considered as one of the goats.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    i mean, not really? nas went through lulls in his career but his last album was excellent and was received that way.
     
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    I see nothing but hate for him tbh...I disagree with that, I think he's THE goat but most of those who enjoy his music are old heads.
     
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  5. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    i think you're out of touch.
     
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  6. Besky
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    not really... the new generation of listeners is not that big on Nas tbh, I feel like they're more onto Jay-Z than anything else.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    you think the "new generation" of rap fans is....mostly loyal to jay z? lol ok
     
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    While the politics of an album, especially during such a controversial moment in time, add to the allure of a project, and we are all able to build a sort of narrative around the social importance of the body of work, I DO believe such remarks should be left separate from dissecting the actual components of the album, and debating the quality of them. At the very least, the politics should be a minimal component, as opposed the what's it's evolved into where it's basically all we can talk about.
     
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    Nas is definitely one of the most criticized mcees by today's hip hop fans.

    Everytime I see nas being discussed, peopel say he's monotone and his music is boring
     
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    what .

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    WHERE?!
     
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  11. Besky
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    that's how I feel tbh... not saying it's the absolute truth, but this is my experience.
     
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    Definitely...
     
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  13. Revolutionary
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    I'm gonna be honest and say I don't know anybody who likes Nas. But for the record, I don't think anybody will get as much hate as Eminem these days.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    yeah see that's all wrong and that's one of the many reasons i can't take you seriously when you talk about rap music.

    anyone with half a brain realizes that it's a sliding scale--kendrick's album places more weight on the societal forces that inspired it than, say, carly rae jepsen's does. discussing public enemy means you have to discuss the political context of their work. if you're talking about redman, less so.

    you're operating exactly how the kids do who come up with rubrics to score rap albums. "BEATS 6 OUT OF 10, LYRICS 7 OUT OF TEN, CREATIVITY 5 OUT OF 10..."

    an album, even an overtly political one*, isn't good or bad because you agree or disagree with its attendant politics. but they are absolutely part of the work, and to pretend they aren't is fundamentally misunderstood music, and especially rap music.

    * all rap is political, dummy.
     
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    If a work is so clearly socially charged, how do you divorce the two? You can be pedantic about technical aspects, but like... if you're reviewing Whats Goin On, you talk about Vietnam, and the power of Gaye's songs to give voice to the discontent att
     
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    sending shots at XXL? :cam2:
     
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    Nope, say what you were thinking. You seemed pretty confident about it.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    xxl doesn't do that anymore.
     
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    seein a lil vintage @Swizz in this thread. nice to see marriage has not softened him
     
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    yeah I've just noticed it lol
     
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