Eminem Pitchfork reviews MTBMB

Started by Michael Myers, Jan 25, 2020, in Eminem Add to Reading List

  1. Slyk
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    Slyk God made a prophet.

    Jan 26, 2020
    Darkness is one of Eminem's most intelligent songs to date. Surely, someone like yourself should be able to appreciate the wordplay, research, and execution of a song where each bar is a double entendre, about a serious subject matter & the internal struggles/fears of an aging artist. "isn't very good" is as empty as calling it "brash and irreverent" without diving in.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jan 26, 2020
    do you actually believe this? or is it just something you’ve seen on facebook
    it’s boring, bland production, painfully deliberate writing w/ absolutely exhausting double entendres (this isn’t exactly “i gave you power”). i didn’t call it brash or irreverent because it’s neither. it’s labored and dull.
     
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  3. Slyk
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    Slyk God made a prophet.

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    it's deliberate with "exhausting" double entendres because that was clearly the intention...defending criticism by calling it by exactly what it was intended to be is interesting. you don't have to like it, but darkness didn't come together by happenstance -- it was crafted with a specific intention.

    clearly, my post won't change your mind, but you really missed the mark on this track.
     
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  4. Toadofsky
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    absolutely I do. you have a history of critically rewarding rappers for being "progressive" on certain key sjw issues, for example Young Thug openly flirting with homosexuality, while severely penalizing Eminem for homophobic lyrics. as I pointed out before you dismissed Kamikaze over a single homophobic slur--in fact you were livid--and again despite your arguments being couched in terms of critical (if particularly weak) analysis anyone can see through them for what they really are: deceitful attempts by a radical leftist to shape the attitudes and opinions of your target audience away from what you see as bigotry and towards progressivism. you're just a propagandist
     
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  5. Spatula
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    Spatula Relapse is a masterpiece

    Jan 26, 2020
    This is why the answer to the first question is no.

    I remember your review of mmlp2 and you gave Bad Guy a 10/10 said you are jealous your favorite rappers never thought of "reached my full potential, I peeked" line. I thought by that logic Darkness has to be 20/10 because its better than Bad Guy without a doubt.

    I really believe someone being black, female, gay or all of the above gets points in your reviews. You talk about charisma being important but eminem is still the most charismatic one.
     
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  6. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jan 26, 2020
    i don’t know that i’ve ever written anything about young thug and sexuality. i’ve certainly never said it’s what made him one of the best rappers of the decade, because it didn’t — if anything it was a very minor curiosity earl on that was almost entirely tangential to his music. you’re just using me as a stand-in for whatever straw men you’ve dreamed up.

    i absolutely did not do this
    not for a second — again, go seek out these people you’re mad at, don’t project it all onto me
    this entire review is about technique and lineage. there is not a single moralizing point in here, and the fact that “darkness” is political at all (to be clear, it isn’t, its video kind of is) is mentioned only in passing. seek professional help.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Jan 26, 2020
    bad guy is good, darkness isn’t. why are you so hung up on whether or not i like your dumb little favorite song? grow up.
    my guy, go work out your weird bigotry elsewhere. find me any examples of me giving someone undue artistic credit for their identity.
    do you listen to any other rappers? honest question
     
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    Disorderly Progress What's cookin?

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    Disagree. Whole verse is dope. I wasn't moved by the verse initially at all, probably just because it felt like standard posse cut and kinda older Em, just like aiyt whatver. But past few listens... pretty watertight. The Wu puns segment is on point.
     
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    Disorderly Progress What's cookin?

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    Kam is cohesive.

    So is MTBMB.

    And neither have the blunder of Beautiful, or Underground. Both stylistcially far too different from everything else. Ruined the album at the last stretch. Otherwise it's a classic.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    i’m not a huge fan of underground and wouldn’t complain about it being cut, but it being stylistically different from the rest of the album is its whole reason for existing, no?
     
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    Lmao @ only because of Rihanna.

    Not Afraid from same album was also huge son and had 0 RiRhi.

    That song is nothing without his verses and take.
     
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    Spatula Relapse is a masterpiece

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    You keep pointing that out but I think thats just a safe way for you to write your biased opinion in gloves. Like doing stupid things and saying "its just a prank!", you have these opinions which have nothing to do with technique but you shoehorn them in as if then its a valid criticism from you rather then the openly moralizing ones.

    Because you make it as if its not just your opinion and its in a published review. Its not even close to being my favorite song. h---, I like chloraseptic more.
    I have 2pac and Lil Wayne in my rotation, I give a chance to others but they do nothing for me. But I dont see my lack of familiarity with a variety of rap as a discrediting fact about me.

    I tried listening to aesop rock recently, but like atmosphere, its just a guy talking uninteresting things to me in am uninteresting way. If darkness is dull, I dont know what these guys are.
     
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  13. Disorderly Progress
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    Disorderly Progress What's cookin?

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    As in... put there to transition to R2? Like okay now I'm going Underground... intro in to R2?

    Maybe. Although the true R2 tracks (Refill) we know of sound like Relapse. I think a lot of people confuse that period and think songs he started to make for Recovery like 'Cocaine' and s--- were for Relapse 2. I think those were early Recovery sessions. All Relapse (/2) material was done with Dre, confirmed by Martian himself.

    Personally, and this is a theory and perhaps a reach perhaps not - I think he did all the R1/2 material, had it all ready to go; I think Beautiful & CAB were put there to be singles, and I think Beautiful also as a bit of a safety net, in case fans didn't like this new style but did that - he'd switch to that, which he did @ Recovery's (emotional, sung) MO...

    I think he tagged them at the end because they didn't fit anywhere else and he at least realised that. But I don't think he wanted to end on either. As neither were really authentically for the album. So then I think he just made Underground to just try and end on something hardcore and s----talky and to counterbalance what he did.

    I think that's why it has that rap style, because he probably had let go of the accents and tones by the time he was done with all the Relapse material. So he made this track now with his normal voice, as it wasn't from the sessions. But still made FOR the album, for a purpose like that, which is why it's still produced by Dre.

    Deja Vu is a genius ending though. Way it fades out too. Would have been such a classy and brilliant way to end and then we get chapter two begin with a crazy b--- as usual.

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    BUT - Regardless of all of that. And anything you or I are saying - it can be any reason you want it's there... if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit. I don't think you can analyse your way to FEEL...

    I feel what I feel and analyse in retrospect. It can't be good because we hash out a good reason for it to be there. it SOUNDS wrong, so it feels wrong. You can't have like 1, or 2 songs TOTALLY different then like such an intense everything else all the same. It's a blunder.
     
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    this is what always happens when you expose this guy--he gets super defensive and frantically resorts to gaslighting and thoughtless accusations of bigotry. yes, you made a big stink about Eminem using the word fa---- on Kamikaze, and I wasn't the only one who noticed. I realize you're in damage control / cover up mode but if you're going to deny basic facts I'm bored already
     
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    :emoji_point_up_2::emoji_ok_hand:
     
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    Spatula Relapse is a masterpiece

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    I am not good with emojis. Are you telling me to go f--- myself or "you ok", or both?
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    i wrote a review of kamikaze that literally noted that there wasn’t really any controversy around “the fall” outside of what news aggregators imagined. my feelings about that an album have absolutely zero to do with him saying “fa----” on it; a lot of records i’ve written glowingly about include “fa----.” sometimes this decade em has come across shrill and exhausting in an effort to be provocative. that is a creative problem.
     
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    Lol at someone saying MA outdid Em :') She had one of the worst fkin verses in an Eminem album ever, still don't know how that made it to the album
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    i guess i’m just gonna stop you here: what did i write that you disagree so strenuously with? where am i moralizing? lmaoo
    i... do think that you not listening to rap means you don’t know very much about rap
     
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    i'm a little upset that wpg is ignoring me and answering spatula tbh
     
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