Sep 4, 2015 It's not just the "pain" factor that comes into play here, it's the fact that a fetus within the first 26 weeks has miniminal physical & mental characteristics of a living human. A fetus isn't a life, it's a potential life & if a women decides she wants to abort that potential life for whatever reason, that is her decision to make.
Sep 4, 2015 That's JMG under a new name if you didn't know. Most of the time I just think he posts for shock value so I wouldn't take him to seriously.
Sep 5, 2015 all this pseudo-intellect and you still cant realize preventative methods such as the pill aren't f---ing magic
Sep 5, 2015 So you think it's ok to abort a baby at 25 weeks? I'm pretty sure that if a woman goes into labour at 24 weeks they'll try to save it. If a woman is still pregnant at 26 weeks a baby is moving around, you can feel it.
Sep 5, 2015 Well obviously, if the women is going into labor at 24 weeks, it's clearly to late to undergo the abortion process. Premature births aren't rare but they aren't extremely common either, especially not as early as 24 weeks. Also, even after a baby is born that prematurely, survival isn't a gaurentee. They have about a 60% chance of survival which is significantly lower from the 80-90+% chance of survival when you get to the 28th week or higher. Anyways, you're talking about a very small percentage of women who get abortions that late. 1% of abortions occur after the 20th week in the United States, let alone the 24th or 25th week which is right on the border.
Sep 5, 2015 I'm asking what you think is ok tho. Knowing they're able to survive at 24 weeks. The way you said it sounded like you have no problem with abortions up to 26 weeks. Just curious
Sep 5, 2015 At the 26th week no (unless the mother's life was in danger or something), 24th week is probably the latest I'd feel comfortable with.
Sep 5, 2015 This is such a huge topic with so many grey areas that are all simply subjective opinions with very little objective clarity, the answer can't really be as simply as saying it should be legal or illegal. Scientifically, one can argue it's humane to abort a foetus at a point where it is not categorically alive (void of consciousness, brain activity, pain). I say categorically since that is how objectivity is achieved in sciences. However, one and many can argue until they're blue in the face about the moral dilemmas surrounding abortion. On the one hand you have the pros; over-population, r----impregnation, being too young, and the most grey argument, simply arguing it's your choice as a mother). On the other hand you have the cons; the "foetus/potential-life/unborn child" has its own rights as a human and a life, and so no one person can dictate or choose for it. It has a chance at living and so it has every right to do so if it wishes). For me, what people seem to forget is a mother isn't there to play God with a child's life before or after its birth, a mother's role is support the growing child until it can support itself in adolescence. People's clouded perception of this fact lead them to believe that just because the baby is growing inside the mother it's somehow an extension of their body, when in actual fact a foetus is a human body in its own right. Once again though, it's arguable at which point this can be distinguished. A single-cell fertilised gamete isn't a human body, and neither is it a human once it's divided into four cells. Nor 128 cells. So at which point (again) categorically does a gamete become a foetus? Or a foetus a baby? This is the Sorites paradox. I think it's quite relevant in the largest grey area of this topic. Nonetheless, being a grey area it is unfair for any reasonable person to judge another on how they feel about the topic. I try not to hold a subjective opinion, because opinions can be shaped by personal experiences, second hand experiences, teachings and what not. I try to keep my opinion objective and close to the science. I do feel people have their own rights to choose for the right reasons but I don't have a definitive opinion on the distinction between what is an acceptable time to abort and an unacceptable one. Just my thoughts.
Sep 5, 2015 This is a discussion where people give their opinions. It's a grey area. He gives his opinion and is an idiot?
Sep 5, 2015 no, whether or not abortions should or should not be legal has nothing to do with whether or not he agrees with it. Its not about him.
Sep 5, 2015 It's interesting to think how people are gonna view abortion in the future. I feel like we don't know nearly enough about the status of a fetus that age, don't forget that literally everyone in history has been wrong when it comes to moral issues and science is always advancing especially now.... we really don't know s--- we just know more than anyone else before us. Time could reveal that the fetuses feel everything, it could reveal for certainty that they don't. Same situation with the mental illness factor when it comes to transgenders. I could easily see science advancing and people being like "what the f--- they let Bruce Jenner do all that instead of trying to help?"
