Jan 11, 2026 at 1:35 PM Imagine if Eminem would work with Alchemist or Hitboy instead of being the biggest cornball on the planet over trap beats.
Jan 11, 2026 at 1:49 PM Why doesn't eminem work with alchemist. He's signed to shady as a producer lol.
Jan 11, 2026 at 2:17 PM I think Eminem can work with whoever he wants to but he often talks about listening to the beat and it speaks to him and tells him what the song is about, he often comes up with the hook on the spot. It could just be a case that their production doesn't speak to him in that way. I think it was Royce who did an interview talking about a song Em did where Em didn't really like the beat and how hard it is for a rapper to hop on a best that they're not really feeling. He basically had to force himself to write a rhyme to a beat he didn't like...his heart wasn't in it. Also look at the commercial side of it. Eminem still has to answer to a label. He really doesn't get to release whatever he wants when he wants. He doesn't own any of his music, like most artists don't. He still has to pitch his projects and he them OK'd and it could just be a combination of him preferring his own production or they don't think paying those producers is going to make any difference in sales. I remember back In the day a Dre beat was expensive and it meant something. Now you have people producing Dre style beats at home. You can do it on a laptop. Also doesn't Alchemist use a lot of samples? Again that's money. And I can see the 50 thing going the same way. Maybe for a movie soundtrack. Maybe the next GTA. Maybe another video game series. There's always a catch. I don't think it'll ever be an actual album. It'll be a project where someone pays them for the songs. An actual album would require promotion and a lot of money spent and I just don't see Interscope or either of them doing the interview circuit.
Jan 11, 2026 at 2:53 PM A whole album that sounds like Square Dance verses, White America, Sing For the Moment and Superman Hooks. That’s Peak Eminem
Jan 11, 2026 at 2:54 PM I think it’s obvious he signed a 5 album deal with Interscope originally. I doubt he still has the same restrictions and obligations now with the label that he had back then. I’d say he became free from a lot of those obligations after Curtain Call, which is why he was even planning to retire around that time. And he definitely releases what he wants when wants. Just look at Kamikaze surprise release, 4 years between albums, two sides of MTBMB etc… I don’t think Interscope but much pressure on him to release things. They just pretty much let him do what he wants. It’s Paul that’s is constantly getting him to do these soundtrack collabs and game collabs, that’s just his Jewish heritage kicking in because he knows anything Eminem-related will make money. I think even Joe Strange was saying on here a while back that Eminem has to almost be forced to release his music by Paul because he’s never fully happy and they have to pry him off it in order to release it, especially album wise.
Jan 11, 2026 at 3:12 PM I wasn't sure whether the rest of the piano throughout the track was changed or added that way later so I just left it alone and only edited the intro and the guitar. But from what you're saying it's possible the entire instrumental could have been pitched upwards. Maybe the vocals too but only slightly? I always took that as a clue that it was one of the earlier songs recorded for TES, but you may be right. Slightly tempted to tinker with it now to find what might have been the original pitch.
Jan 11, 2026 at 3:23 PM Im sure some of that is true but regardless of what people think about Paul, he's actually a big reason why we have had so much music over the years. I just think working with other producers,fans wanting songs with 50 Cent and Nas and Jay Z and all these young rappers....I just think it's all business. Interscope aren't in the business of releasing rap albums. It's an Eminem album. It's completely different hence why pretty much every album he's released with them since 1999 has a theme. From the name of the album to the subject matter, it's all a concept. Ones about Slim Shady and ones about Marshall Mathers then there's a show and with a show comes an Encore and a Curtain Call but then there's a relapse and to get better you have to recover from it. Then it's a cash in on his biggest album. We have a Revival which is a bit of all the previous albums but that didn't go down well so it's Kamikaze and that's answering the critics. Music to be Murdered By is Alfred Hitchcock and he too released a B side album so that idea wasn't even his. Then last year he kills off Slim Shady. That's 26 years of music and not one album is just a regular album with songs. It's all characters and storylines and things happening in his life. It's all narrative. Every one has a selling point. So ok 50 wants to do an album. What's the selling point? What are the songs going to be about? I just don't see it happening. Maybe a soundtrack for a movie. Maybe a video game but 20 tracks? The same two people taking turns rapping? I just don't see it.
Jan 11, 2026 at 3:28 PM I don't know if those recording dates were released but his voice makes me think this is an early recording. It does sound sped up but I think the beat sounds faster than the vocals. It doesn't sound like he's trying to keep up with it. I think songs like White America and Till I Collapse start to show that hoarse voice creeping in.
Jan 11, 2026 at 4:10 PM There’s a 432 hz (which I believe is a giant fad itself, but that’s whole other topic of conversation) version on YouTube that I believe sounds closer to what it may have originally sounded like. Most modern music of the last 100 years is usually in 440hz and this fad always comes up every few years about 432hz being the “real true frequency of the universe”. (It’s a load of nonsense IMO). But pretty much every song on YouTube has a 432hz version. Alls it really is is slightly slower in pitch and speed. 8hz less. But because I think SGBTH is already sped up, I think the “432hz” version which slows it just a fraction is what it may have originally sounded like. In reality, the “432hz” version may actually be closer to the original 440, and the version on TES may be somewhere between 440-450.
Jan 11, 2026 at 4:13 PM I’ve been saying this for a while about these specific songs. You can hear the strain creeping in. Then we get Rabbit Run, Rap Game and Lose Yourself. (Edit: Lose yourself may have actually been before these, since Steve King said it was recorded in the 8 Mile studio trailer, and filming for 8 Mile wrapped up in Jan 2002) Then The Sauce, Nail in The Coffin, Love You More, We As Americans. Then all the Obie Trice and 50 Cent album stuff. Until we finally get to Encore with Mosh.
Jan 11, 2026 at 4:39 PM Yeah, dude needs some Producer with unique sounds not that generic trap beat. He needs deeper beats. Relapse level beats
Jan 11, 2026 at 6:49 PM He didnt plan on retiring. There was an entire album in 2005 that was finished that got scrapped. And king Mathers was scrapped in 2007.
Jan 11, 2026 at 6:58 PM Can someone explain to me the exact process of getting a sample cleared. In a interview for I think mtbmb eminem said one of the songs almost didn't make it because it got cleared the day before cut off. It would seem like you would get samples cleared before you handed it into the label?
Jan 11, 2026 at 7:46 PM Im not sure. Maybe they know ahead of time if it's a yes or no. Steve Miller said the Abracadabra sample didn't clear until a few days before Houdini released so they must have told Em the answer was yes far in advance. I wish someone had asked Joe what the original sample for Berzerk was because Em and Rick Rubin refused to say what song it was.
Jan 11, 2026 at 8:37 PM Berserk sampled Billy Squier's "The Stroke" Also bestie boys "fight for the right to party" And naughty by nature "feel the flow"
Jan 11, 2026 at 9:50 PM It wasn't originally Billy Squier. That was after the sample they had built the song around was refused. All we know is that the artist is a friend of Rick Rubin and they refused to let Eminem use the sample.
