Politics S80 POLL: Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton

Started by WPG, May 25, 2016, in Life Add to Reading List

Which candidate would you rather vote for?

  1. Donald Trump

    44 vote(s)
    40.4%
  2. Hillary Clinton

    65 vote(s)
    59.6%
  1. GawDEDEDE
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    May 28, 2016
    Only to an extent do I agree with you. He may word things wrong, but he's always felt Obamas done horribly for non affluent african americans as president, so that's the context behind that tweet. I don't think it's his, or my place to say how well he's done, but I've seen many black people say the same thing -- that Obama's done little to nothing for them. I think people are acting rather desperate in insisting that he's a racist. It's meant to be some sort of "dealbreaker" on him because what sane person would want a racist as president? But no one from the left can just admit that it's a false narrative that's wearing thin very quickly.

    Trump from my account feigned ignorance to David Duke, but he disavowed. The problem is this time around he "took too long". A petty problem if you ask me, considering he disavowed him 16 years ago. There's really no further discussion that can be had about it man.


    I won't bother to look into the validity of that tweet, I'll assume it's wrong or at least skewed, but "nazi propaganda" is such a sensationalist stretch. Either way it's an absolute fact that black violence against other blacks is disproportionately way bigger a problem than police violence against blacks in America. "Black on black crime" may sound like a cliche but it's a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed. Maybe it's not Trumps place to say that, and that post is wrong not because it vilifies blacks but it tries to shoo away the problem of police brutality during a time of heightened tension.

    The birther movement was an abject failure. I resented Trump for it even during the time he initially ran for president, until I gave his campaign a closer look and decided to take him seriously. I already admitted Trump was wrong for reposting that picture from that white nationalist, but the man has from so many accounts treated blacks and hispanics fairly in business, partnerships and employment, has hosted NAACP conventions, and has glowing reviews from those who deal with him personally. This "racist" narrative should be a virtual non-factor. Or at least give Hillary the same level of scrutiny, considering her transgressions are far worse.

    The only reason I won't get snippy with you is because I addressed you first, but you don't need to harp on something was both basically agree on and throw a complete dreadful strawman hissy-fit just because I countered your poorly conjured up, one sided accusatory narrative with context and fact. Believe what you want about Trump, but unless a major blunder happens in the upcoming future he's on course to becoming President whether you like it or not. Have fun backing that crooked liar Hillary, who's numbers are going down more and more, and will bomb in comedic fashion when her bs alibi's and weak excuses for her transgressions catch up to her, and her game of identity politics prove to be all for naught.
     
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  2. Mikey
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    May 28, 2016
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    what a disgrace that women is.
     
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  3. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    May 28, 2016
    We're talking about someone who's a front-runner to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world not someone who's looking to class president of your highschool. With that being said yes, when a candidate like Trump refuses to denounce support of a clear and well documented racist like David Duke, it's trouble some. Especially considering he lied and said he knew nothing about him when he's spoken out against him the past lol. Trump just didn't want to damage his poll numbers at the time so he chose to play stupid. The fact that he's pandering to these type of people is extremely troublesome.
     
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  4. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    May 28, 2016
    Honestly, I'm starting to think @GawDEDEDE is one of those people that thinks racism doesn't exist anymore because people don't go around openly using the N-word.
     
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  5. Goku187
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    May 28, 2016
    Three Pinocchios.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...entence-and-attack-sexual-harassment-victims/
     
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  6. Mikey
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    May 28, 2016
    I seen it on Paulie Malignaggi's twitter so I assumed it was true. Pretty stupid by him putting something out like that since its false.
     
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  7. dester23
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    dester23 DonChapagneson

    May 28, 2016
    Heil Adolf Trump
     
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  8. reservoirGod
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    reservoirGod reckless adventurer.

    May 28, 2016
    Yesterday Trump said there is no drought in California and he called the judge in the Trump U fraud case (who was born in Indiana) a "Mexican."
     
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  9. GawDEDEDE
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    May 28, 2016


    Man you know it's gotten bad when Hillary's own puppets can't even defend her anymore. Listen to them, they sound like someone just shot their puppy in the head. This woman stands no chance against The Donald.
     
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  10. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

    May 28, 2016
    His statements about the drought in California were all over my social media yesterday. He's such a fucken idiot when it comes to evironmental policy. I mean, he's an idiot in general but when he talks about the evironmental issues (or lack there of I guess according to him), he never ceases to amaze me. My favorite is last year when he said, "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." How the f--- do people support this guy? Lol
     
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  11. GawDEDEDE
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    May 28, 2016
    The practice of hating another person for their skin color is basically a mental illness. It is in no ways supported by our society, it's a relatively dead concept in the USA. You have no choice but to interact with people of other races who aren't like you in most of this country, and its been this way for decades, meaning you have no choice but to see other races as equal to you unless you're mentally ill.

    I refuse to believe that more than 5% of this country are inherently racist. Do people have prejudices? Sure, everyone has them to an extent. But outright hatred? Seems like a lunatic fringe of people are still like that. I just don't think Trump is a mentally ill man. And Trump's got so much more to gain in terms of votes from moderates who might be on the fence & arent sure if he's racist, than he does from the fringe minority of white nationalists.
     
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  12. reservoirGod
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    May 28, 2016
    But he can't help himself because he is apart of that 5% fringe and so are you.
     
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  13. Enigma
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    Enigma Civil liberties > Police safety

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    Re:
    The definition of racist is a person who believes a race is surperior to another. I truly do believe Trump's ideaology is rooted in that definition. The evidence is sprinkled throughout his speeches. "We have to make America great again!" When was America great? The 50's when minorities and women had very minimal rights? What time period is he talking about? "We have to take our country back!" Back from who? Who took it? I guess the growing minority population doesn't sit well with Trump.

    He also had a lot more to gain from Latino and women voters in the general election but that didn't stop him from calling Mexicans rapists and murderers and spewing misogyny. Trump doesn't think like a normal candidate. He saids what's on his mind and whether you want to admit it or not, he's bringing in a lot of the "racist vote."
     
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  14. Skippy
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    May 28, 2016
    f--- dude wish I was as enlightened as you.
     
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  15. GawDEDEDE
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    May 28, 2016
    I'll give you this, there are racists who do back Trump, I've even seen that for myself. I think when he says "take our country back" and "make it great again" he's referring to the Reagan era. He tends to cite Reagan as the best president of the "modern" era. Of course, during Reagan, women and minorities had all of the rights they do now. What can Trump possibly do to take away womens and minoritys rights? None of his policy suggests that he'd even attempt that. So how is supporting him wrong? Because of strong immigration? Loads of countries have stronger immigration than us, are they racist?

    "Take our country back", perhaps from the career politicians who live to be elected, raise funds and be re-elected, and lie to the public the way Hillary does, and make false promises and politically correct statements like Obama does. It feels like very few people are genuine in politics anymore. The Trumps, Ron Pauls and even Sanders are an exception.

    From the republican party, Trump has an overwhelming minority support base. 99% of the latino GOP community voted for Trump in NY. The opposition of Trump comes primarily from establishment conservatives and racebaiting liberals.
     
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  16. reservoirGod
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    May 28, 2016
    This guy lies like Trump does.


    There is no information that shows that Trump got 99% of hispanic GOP votes in NY.
    This is just another outrageous claim that Lyin' Crooked Trump and his dumb supporters make.

    It's stupid to suggest that.


    You're a race baiter.

    The majority of crime in America is committed by white people. The majority of their victims are white people. Is that a concern to you? Are you doing something about it? Is Trump going to do something about it?

    Last fall, the CEC was hysterical about black lives matter and kept saying that "they have called for an open season on cops".... since then white men have killed more cops than any other demographic... is Trump going to do something about that? Do blue lives matter to white people?

    What should have Obama done to make life better for black Americans? Force companies to hire more black people? Give black people free college?

    Since Obama became President private sector jobs have gone up and goverment jobs have disappeared...

    Great work for a guy you called a "socialist" for the first half of his two terms... to give you perspective George W. Bush grew the Federal Government by over 35%.

    What should Obama do to make racist companies in America hire black people?
     
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  17. Dank Sinatra
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    May 28, 2016
    Weeknd and Belly didnt go on kimmel last night cause Trump was on. Belly is Palestinian and spoke out against Trumps anti muslim remarks.
     
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  18. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    May 28, 2016
    Imagine hearing what Trump says about black protesters and the police and concluding "nah, he's not racist." Imagine that.
     
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  19. thedragon
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    May 28, 2016
    yikes f--- Donald
     
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  20. FLORIDA MAN
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    May 28, 2016
    Woah good point. He overcame 10,000,000,000 worth of debt? That's one h--- of an accomplishment. We need someone like that to get us out of this hole. he's got my vote. Thanks res!
     
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