Politics S80 POLL: Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton

Started by WPG, May 25, 2016, in Life Add to Reading List

Which candidate would you rather vote for?

  1. Donald Trump

    44 vote(s)
    40.4%
  2. Hillary Clinton

    65 vote(s)
    59.6%
  1. Pato v3
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    Pato v3 exilio

    May 31, 2016
    I'm not expecting the writer (who has had a deeper inside look of Hillary's personal life than most American journalists) to write a ferocious piece about her but some fragments of the article made me lol

    For example:

    I also think it's ignoring a lot of the more evident flaws about her and focusing too much in her position as a woman (which is a serious issue in the states but seems to magically disregard the actual core problems of her campaign)

    Also I don't agree with some of the tricks she implemented to portray Trump in the article (saying he'll keep out inmigrants from the country rather than "ilegal inmigrants")

    I heavily dislike Trump but I'd be more unbiased when talking about his policies and procedures
     
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  2. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    May 31, 2016
    I mean, why would that excerpt make you laugh? Retail politics is an interesting lens to look at any national figure, especially one who's usually portrayed as cold and inhuman. I found it informative.

    She's also factually right about Trump: Remember this is a man who promised to ban ALL MUSLIMS from entering until further notice.
     
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  3. Pato v3
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    Pato v3 exilio

    May 31, 2016
    I believe she was talking about the mexicans ban with that line

     
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  4. reservoirGod
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    May 31, 2016
    I don't think Trump would try to keep any immigrants out illegal or legal... he exploits foreign workers here and abroad over paying Americans good wages. He holds these people in contempt of coarse like he does most people, but he is not going to change the system that he and all his real friends benefit from.

    His White Nationalist posturing or, if you will, "race baiting" (a term that @GawDEDEDE likes to use so much, but doesn't realize he is the one actually being baited) is merely to generate votes, adulation and donations from the lowest denominator of the racist poor.

    If anything there would be more immigrants here and wages will be lower if he comes into power.
     
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  6. Charlie Work
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    May 31, 2016
    I agree with the first half. The second have is kind of broad. Personalities like Jennifer Lawrence and Beyonce are certainly magnetic. Maybe the point could fit in a more narrow sense, like in regards to women who succeed in traditionally masculine fields. I can't name a single female Branson or Musk.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    May 31, 2016
    I think it's very evident--especially in the context of the piece at large--that the writer is talking about the political arena.
     
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    May 31, 2016
    @WPG @Pato v2 I forget if I heard this from David Axelrod's podcast, or someone here shared it with me anecdotally, but evidentally HRC is much better at connecting with people on a personal basis than her husband. Whereas Bill can work a room, and is likely the defining baby boomer political mind, he's apparently a little removed/aloof when holding "normal" conversations. HRC's skills are sometimes lost on the big stage, excuse the pun

    pall, didnt read that piece yet, but there's plenty of charismatic women no? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_female_holders_of_political_offices
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Richards
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eartha_Kitt
    i get ur point about gender associations in language, but it's that kind of subtle #hottake cannibalism that emboldens trump supporters. (to an extent hillary's weaknesses are sexist refractions... but some rly arent lol)
     
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    Pretty sure it was mostly the cat suit with Ertha Kitt.
     
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  10. Charlie Work
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    It’s worth asking to what degree charisma, as we have defined it, is a masculine trait.

    That's definitely a sweeping statement.
     
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  11. Pato v3
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    Pato v3 exilio

    May 31, 2016
    I absolutely agree with this, I believe Trump's intentions are much more omnibus than that but I don't want to make little account of his literal words, I'd have to apply that philosophy to the other politicians (though ironically it always ends up working lol)
     
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  12. reservoirGod
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    May 31, 2016
    No one has actually thought of the Wall.

    If you hate brown people you automatically want it.

    If you're indifferent about brown people you think you don't need it.


    Let's think about it... 900 some miles of the Mexican/American border is a river. What side of the border does it go on? This is crucial... no one has speculated.

    I believe Trump's low ball $10b estimate will be ate up on preconstruction surveys and imminent domain buyouts... you know why? Because I have worked on tiny $1b jobs that would feel like a grain of sand on a job this size.

    After pre job surveys and private lands being converted to public for a hefty sums... there will need to be a series of roads built directly from populations centers to the border for logistics (transportation of materials and workers to the jobsite)... so, there will be a direct route to American cities where there was only difficult to traverse terrain before... building this infrastructure would cost more than the wall itself.

    After this is all said and done... a 30ft extension ladder and a 30ft length of rope could get me on the other side of that wall in a couple of minutes than I just follow the new road into town.







    The idea is stupid.
     
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  13. reservoirGod
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    I exaggerated... a 30ft extension ladder and 30ft length of rope would get on the other side in probably less than a minute.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    May 31, 2016
    It's also, as the writer says, worth considering. The kind of magnetism that creates a cult of personality is probably distinctly masculine. A woman who talked like Elon Musk would be laughed out of most rooms.
     
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    Another thing I forgot... the decade that it would take to build this would definitely be the opportune time to smuggle in people and drugs... you know with giant trucks running back and forth round robin and 1,000's of workers who all look the same running around everywhere. The things that make it a lot easier than it is now.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    May 31, 2016
    @Pato v2 I'm re-reading this article and I can't disagree with you more. The most telling section is about Clinton and her campaign's relationship with the press, and it levies a good deal of blame at her.
     
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  17. Pato v3
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    Pato v3 exilio

    May 31, 2016
    But it portrays HIllary like she was some kind of overachieving political genius with lack of social skills and understanding of the modern world, who's completely neglected because of that

    I don't disagree with the fact that she might have good knowledge of American politics but that's not really the main point

    EDIT: Confused the Benghazi situation
     
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    No one else has any thoughts on the wall?
     
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    1. So, no one wants to talk about the wall or how Hillary Clinton is somehow unqualified to be President?
     
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    May 31, 2016
    Another thought about the cost of the wall: What will it be made of? I would assume it would be block with #4 and #5 rebar running through it and some serious cement poured in the block wall. Then, going with your figure of 30 feet high, then how deep and wide does this wall have to be? To avoid any "terrorism" to the wall, it will have to be several feet deep to avoid being knocked over. Then, how about the ongoing expense of the maintenance of this wall. This is not a one time cost, but I guess Mexico would be paying for that cost until the end of time?

    And I did find it funny thinking about your point of 1,000s of Mexicans building this wall. Of course they have to be on both sides to build it, so how many illegals will get into America during that time? hahaha. We will need a s--- ton of security to watch all of these $2/hour workers. Or would we be paying them $7.25/hour because in America, we have human rights and a minimum wage? And do the boarder states have higher minimum wages in some states? Would they pay taxes on this pay? Do they need visas?

    Has a GC run the numbers on the cost of this wall? That has to happen before the election right?
     
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