Jan 22, 2015

I saw this link somewhere to Luis Resto's FB where he wrote:

"Very appreciative and honored to have had my solo work "Die Alone" and "Right For Me" from One Small Light and my previously unreleased, "Melody" on the song "Fine Line" featured on the new Eminem Shady XV Album.
Also extremely proud of my brother, Mario Resto for his original song, "Sister" from his album 'Radio', in which the hook was used on "Twisted" f.Skylar Grey and YelaWolf."



Zero creativity in this camp, lol. It's pretty pathetic they just picked a handful of existing, s-----y songs from a producer's earlier work and his brother (wtf) to create new material.

 

Jan 22, 2015

I'm glad someone brought up the mixing. Fine Line has some awful vocal clipping. It's like the sound engineer just didn't set the mic level correctly for Em's verses and was then too scared to ask him to do them again. Listen to the last verse for example when he goes "... and how you guys acc..." .... I mean jeez... they even lowered the volume on it so the clipping wasn't so obvious. Unless that is just terrible compression maybe. Either way, wtf... And I totally agree with the chorus on Twisted. It ruins an otherwise great song. It's like the chorus should have pushed somewhere further but just doesn't seem to make it there.

 

Jan 22, 2015

 

Jan 22, 2015

he's fully aware of his levels lmfao

you sound ridiculous

he is doing it on purpose based on what he is saying like "god hears" he does the same thing with the vegas beat

 

Jan 22, 2015

I sound ridiculous do I? I've been a sound engineer for over 10 years now and work in a top London studio. I know what I'm talking about. I'm sorry if you misinterpreted. Whether or not it's intentional or not, his vocals clip throughout the entire track. It's really easy to hear. Pretty much on all the parts where he suddenly shouts. And in regards to the "god hears" and "guys accepted" parts, I can't think of an intentional, artistic reason to lower the volume on those parts, except to disguise the worst clipping parts/compression working overtime to keep things in check. Because either way it sounds awful.

And where on the Vegas song does he do the same thing? If you're talking about the distortion effect on his vocals, that's a completely different thing?

 

Jan 22, 2015

make sure that god hears, hears as in volume is loud enough. he lowers the vocals. ironically. jesus christ

and I said with the vegas beat

as in he cuts up the instrumentals just like he cuts up his vocals

to make a point

I'm sorry if you don't understand

 

Jan 22, 2015

You are actually making no sense. So let's say he did it to be 'ironic' with the "god hears" part, that doesn't explain the rest. If you're trying to imply that he does it after that to match what he did before, I don't agree, just because it makes no sense to do it on the other parts. Listen to how much his vocals clip on parts like "I feel so isolated, it's nice I made it" etc... those bars sound terrible.

And I still really don't understand the connection to the Vegas beat.

 

Jan 22, 2015

Naw its not the compression, its clear the volume of the mic on the mixer was way too high, im not even sure what they were trying to accomplish with it, i guess they did it to so they didnt have to do alot of compression, Which all of the tracks lack, but its such an amateur move on their part for not going back & re-doing the vocals with the levels correctly on the mixer, all they are doing is damaging the condenser mic with the intense loudness.
If you didnt know eminem was a big rapper, youd mistake him for an amateur internet mc

 

Jan 22, 2015

I wouldn't say the mixing is crap on the whole album... I mean a few things aside, sonically it's fine, but the STYLE of mixing used (which at the end of the day is personal preference)... I dunno I'm just not a fan of it. I felt the same about MMLP2... some very questionable mixing techniques. TES for me was the pinnacle of how his tracks should sound.

 

Jan 22, 2015

Lol I agree. And the thing is, Fine Line is one of my favourite songs on the album. It's just beyond me how EMINEM vocals can be so badly recorded. I mean, Ok I get if he wanted to one take a lot of it without punching in, and as he goes from speaking to shouting very frequently it can be hard to get a level, but come on, he has amazing engineers working with him, it's by no means impossible. I've even ridden the level with artists before where you literally change it as they are recording. Or they could just set the level low and bring the level up in mixing for certain parts... I just don't get it.

 

Jan 22, 2015

agreed 1000000000%
Eminem learned to re-record everything until its perfect while working with Dre, now he cant even punch in properly, & when he does the engineer didnt cut the last word before the punch in, as em always punches in on the last word of the previous take so the transition is unbearable once you notice it.
Listen to Bad Guy, when he says ''but im coming for closure'', when he said ''Im'' the 2 layers arent cleaned up, it just sounds like they copied & pasted every layer together without cutting the mistakes..
Him having Dre in the studio was the best thing that ever happened him, every layer was crisp & sonically, even the bad tracks sounded fantastic to the ear.
You dont hear a professional singer going into a studio, recording the song & keeping all the flaws, a singer would go back again & again until everything sounds perfect to the ear.

 

Jan 22, 2015

 

Jan 22, 2015

I feel like I should've noticed these sound issues, but I can't even remember the songs. Eminem's so god d--- boring now I'm pretty sure my eyes glazed over and I completely zoned out everytime I tried to listen to it... Don't remember a f---ing thing from ShadyXV other than GoF and bits and pieces of Vegas/DvE

 

Jan 22, 2015

Ah man yeah I've noticed this a LOT since MMLP2 where you can literally hear where he punched in... it really bothers me because once I hear it, that's it... the verse is ruined lol. What baffles me is I'm surprised Em is ok with how it's sounding. From what I've heard, he is an absolute perfectionist, so how this kinda thing happens is beyond me. That Bad Guy part you mentioned, I noticed that but totally forgot about it... it's just like you said, they didn't clean up the copy and paste job and left a bit of another take in there or something. There's a lot of instances of hearing where he punched on on Shady XV... I was a real fan of how Dre used to mix his vocals, especially on TES, the multi-layering, minimal compression etc... I remember reading that Em mixes a lot of his own stuff now... maybe it's a case of him thinking he is better than he really is :/ lol

 

Jan 22, 2015

My opinion on eminem's mixing skills were truly shown on Pac's album ''Loyal To The Game'', he had the access to all of pac's masters, but he still Degraded the vocals to s---, not only that, he slowed the vocals down & sped them up too & on top of that he mixed most of the vocals in a mono state so he completely destroyed the presence of the adlibs & dubs.. I blamed the drugs for him being that way, but its clear he is even worse today.

 

Jan 23, 2015

That Pac album was a travesty, no doubt... I just wish he'd let Dre take over the mixing again. I've talked about this in the past on here, but the way his vocals were recorded and mixed on TES was PERFECT. And not only that, was quite unique.

In the early 2000's it was quite the in thing for rappers to double the last word, or last few words of each bar. Fabolous is a good example of someone who used to do it a lot. Their vocal doubling would follow the same pattern throughout the entire song to emphasise those particular words that rhymed and ended the bar. On TES it sounds like Em does a similar thing, but actually his doubling is far more complex. It's not just a straight double of the entire verse, it's not just doubling the last bit of each bar. Sometimes it's the first word of a bar, sometimes it's words in the middle, sometimes it's the last words of the bar, and sometimes it's nearly the whole bar except a word or two. Dre must have had him double the entire verses many many times, and then maticulously sat in the studio for hours afterwards, carefully selecting which ones to use for particular words. There actually isn't another rapper I can think of who has used this technique on their vocals in the same way.

 

Jan 23, 2015

d---

you guys are just too smart

 

Jan 23, 2015

Lol, that's exactly how I feel....

 

Jan 23, 2015

Good album imo, Twisted, Fine Line, Vegas and Shady XV are all great lmao so much hate towards Em nowdays