Sep 17, 2017 You can't say ''critical and public reception doesn't mean s---'' to try and deny something being a classic. Critical and public perception means everything. Nobody cares much about one random persons opinion, its when random people pull together in large groups to form decisions, when something is recognized or when the opinions of highly recognized ''professionals'' make a decision or statement etc.
Sep 17, 2017 no, the stupid statement is basing status off "everyone" when it's not actually "everyone" what do you mean majority of what? i literally wrote it in the sentence and? what's that worth? not d-ck except we don't know that for a fact lol we know that a lot of critics who have publicly visible opinions praised it where is everyone elses thoughts on it and how are you figuring them in to say the majority? like, at best, I can get someone calling something popular but classic? no, it's a s-----y, overused term that means next to nothing with how much it's thrown around and what it implies
Sep 17, 2017 Everyone who has a documented opinion on illmatic, averaged out to say its a fantastic album and one of the most highly rated albums of all time, as well as MBDTF etc. Metacritic not only pulls all respected critical ratings together but user ratings as well, you can go look.
Sep 17, 2017 no it means something's popular it doesn't mean s--- as far as 'quality' which is what the term 'classic' implies, which is why it's a s-----y overused term in this day and age, as it's thrown around and practically used to label anything anymore news flash critics are just regular people like you and me their opinions on highly subjective matters like art/entertainment aren't any more valuable/factual than yours or mine
Sep 17, 2017 Uhm yeah theres is. It's just like the electoral college, sure people get to vote on s--- and the option with the most votes will pass but the congressman, and people in power really make the decisions, and everyone has voted and the general consensus is illmatic, ready to die etc are classics. I don't see how you have a hard time understanding this. Personal classics can be albums you hold in high regard that aren't necessarily looked at that way but a classic is a classic when the masses declare it one.
Sep 17, 2017 r u really trying to equate our s-----y political system to music lel except again, there's that "everyone", and it's again, not actually "everyone" I'm not having a hard time understanding any of this, you're the one seemingly unable to grasp that a 'consensus' on how much a tiny fraction of people like something (out of the massive total amount of people who've heard/will hear and either liked/disliked something) tells us nothing more than how popular something is :S you're also putting extra weight on critics opinions, when again, they are *not* any more valuable than the next persons the term "classic" is just a s-----y, useless term it's relative at best
Sep 17, 2017 Look the album is a classic, whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter one persons opinions on it everyone who has listened or even not listened but made they're opinion heard whether positive or negative has been taking into account and the general consensus is its one of the best rap albums which means its a classic. No not ''everyone'', I don't believe starving african children have told us their opinion on this amazing record but out of the people that have made their opinions heard we have the general consensus. If you disagree with or don't understand what I just said, you need help.
Sep 17, 2017 what's the point in saying this when I blatantly don't buy into the "classic" bs tho? no we f---ing don't dude. plenty of people voice their opinions on things all the time, and they're completely ignored you can keep saying this, but it doesn't fix the flaws in the logic behind it
Sep 17, 2017 Nah even people who s--- on illmatic have the right to, but if something is panned by listeners, like speedin bullet 2 heaven, it won't be considered a classic. If the only requirement is getting your opinion out there is basic internet then the general consensus is pretty even on all sides. No matter what poll or article or think piece you see about top rap albums, especially user voted ones, illmatic will always be top 5
Sep 17, 2017 By your logic there is no way for something to be a majority of opinion, which doesn't make any sense.
Sep 17, 2017 if everyone on earth but one guy agrees apple pie is f---ing delicious, the general consensus is apple pie is f---ing delicious
Sep 17, 2017 it does when you apply it to something as vast as the f---ing internet and the wildly diverse tastes of music listeners and anything that can and will influence their stated opinion (if they've even been taken into account or gotten the chance to give their opinion)
Sep 17, 2017 Yes but you can't say ''the general consensus is false because one guy might not have voted'' it doesn't matter, out of the people that DID vote is how we get the majority opinion.
Sep 17, 2017 when everyone on the earth but one guy likes illmatic and thinks it's the greatest thing ever, then you can tell me it's a "classic" via consensus. until then this s-----y consensus logic is f----- and doesn't work when applied to something like this
Sep 17, 2017 the handful of people who vote might actually go out of their way to vote on metacritic for a specific album or some other website like that =/= a majority of music listeners m8
