May 16, 2016

Weeeeeell if it's their opinion just like the opinion green is a more beautiful color than orange then it makes no sense to say someone is dumb for thinking an album is better than another when you disagree and I'm sure you all already did.

 

May 16, 2016

Of course it makes no sense. People say that, me included, because they like feeling as though their opinion is objectively correct. People like feeling right. It's basic human instinct. The actions of people like this do not in any way make music objective.

 

May 16, 2016

Thank God

This is what I'm trying to say since page 3 of this thread and everyone is calling me a f---ing idiot for it

 

May 16, 2016

 

May 16, 2016

this is absolutely right. one reason i dont "do" films reviews like they're soooo stodgy and limiting from a writing perspective. (shout out my 'brothers' in filmsxn lol.) they're essentially consumer reviews -- the academic approach where you dissect lighting and angles and whatever comes off as sooo perfunctory and pretentious 80% of the time

 

May 16, 2016

nah

 

May 16, 2016

what kind of question is this

 

May 16, 2016

Music is undoubtedly subjective, its seriously silly for anyone to say otherwise.. MANY, MANY factors play into this.. (There are of course exceptions to these statements)

2 people from 2 different walks of life and cultures won't find the same music appealing, because of how they were brought up. The music heard in their formative years shaped the way they hear music, for the rest of their lives.

2 people born 20 years apart, won't find the same music appealing, because they grew up under different circumstances, making the music from their respective "era" easier to identify with.

Not to mention, each person has their own unique ear shape (literally a thing), and skull vibration that changes the way music will sound to that individual. That is actual science proving music is literally subjective, because no 2 people can hear a song the same way.

 

May 16, 2016

this is such a r----- thread

 

May 16, 2016

yes...yes you can

 

May 16, 2016

because

in their opinion

they think its better

and instead of prefacing EVERY post ever with "in my opinion" we just do this thing were we post our opinions

then...if people dont agree...we talk about why we think what we think and try to explain


for example:

you think cant tell is a top tier young thug song. you say it has a great beat, amazing features, and thug kills the hook and his verse

i say its not even top 50. because 1) thug has 100s of songs that are as good as each other so it's a crowded list to begin with 2) can't tell is too long, the features are kinda lackluster and it lacks replay value for me

we can go back and forth about who has better reasoning and maybe you'll agree that i was right and the features aren't THAT great and maybe at the same time you'll convince me that "replay value" isn't a fair way to judge the track

in the end, if it's a good convo one or both of us will have a better grasp on the track. it doesn't mean that you need to stop thinking its a top tier track or i need to have it in my top 50 immediately...but maybe one of those things will happen down the line

i can say Kendrick is a better rapper than Eminem all i want, and as long as I can make a good argument for it -- people will agree and treat it like fact. Once that argument gets too weak, people will question it more and it won't be fact...

not really sure how many other ways to put this

art is subjective but there can be reasoned consensus

 

May 16, 2016

art isnt subjective

 

May 16, 2016

Best explanation I got yet but

do you agree with this or no?

 

May 16, 2016

Do you said this bcuz narsh just came in the thread saying it is or do you rly mean it?

 

May 16, 2016

I think apples taste better than pears

ur move

 

May 16, 2016

that's objectively untrue

 

May 16, 2016

I don't understand what you mean with this

I feel really dumb in this thread

 

May 16, 2016

You got this thread from me and @Cyreides convo.

I was the one who took the objective point of view, but I didn't mean there is some sort of check list that makes music good or not. I was just trying to say that we as humans can think critically about things, so if we don't like a certain album that doesn't mean it's actually bad. We are capable of acknowledging that certain music just isn't for us, but it can still be good. You get what I'm saying? It's closed minded to call something bad just because you don't like it. If you can make valid points as to why it's bad then that's a different story.

 

May 16, 2016

even with this problems arise when you realize what one person considers a valid point for something being bad isn't necessarily going to resonate with the other who likes it and seem valid to them because nobodies listening to music in the same way or for the same reasons or interpreting it exactly the same

one line might seem corny as s--- to someone and another may think it's genius or inspiring. one artist might put out music that sounds like complete noise to one person and to the other it may be some of the most amazing/emotioonal s--- they've ever heard in their lives

that's why i just leave it be and keep in mind all those old sayings like one mans trash is anothers treasure/different strokes for different folks/beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc.

 

May 16, 2016

actually i think it is

I met this old pretentious lady who is an artist and had a blank canvas with a few dots and scattered lines everywhere.

It was basically scribbles and nonsense so I asked her what the point/message of the painting was, and she said that the point is that there was no form to it and that it is anything you want it to be because it looks like nothing

Pissed me off