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Kendrick Lamar Best Posts: Did Joyner throw a lil shot at Kenny?

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    Literally who???
     
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    Joyner from my hometown

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    Kendrick tells a story to illustrate a point that usually fits into an album with specific thematic intentions. You can guess what "The Art of Peer Pressure" is about. You can see how it fits into GKMC. Can nonfiction accounts serve the very same purpose? Yes. Does Joyner's song measure up to Kendrick's? Not at all.

    Let me preface this by saying that Joyner's story telling skills aren't bad. My problem is with why he tells that story and what the listener gains from it. Ross Cappichioni is a true story, to say Joyner's exact characterizations are true goes beyond what I'm comfortable standing behind. Regardless, does the story teach you anything of value or is driven by suspense and narrative tricks? Kendrick does both. Joyner succeeds at the second, but what do you walk away from his song with? Don't trust people? Take advantage of people? The subjectivity of perspective? The only one worth anything is the third imo, and from Biggie's n----s Bleed to Eminem's Guilty Conscience etc we've got many examples of that. I think Joyner definitely could've benefited by adding a short sign off verse from Ross's perspective about surviving the ambush and how that drove home some greater insights and lessons. Preferably not as bluntly as my wording would suggest.

    How does Kendrick work differently? As the title states, and the chorus reminds us, his song isn't about the robbery. It's about the social pressures that can drive people into bad situations. He also crafts a compelling narrative, but it's all in service of a point which is in service of an even bigger work in GKMC. To reiterate, Joyner isn't bad at storytelling. He's just not concerned with using the form for anything greater, in this specific instance ofc. Biggie had songs like that, including doing multiple characters himself sometimes even lending the characters different voices, but that was two decades ago. Do I think Joyner has updated or innovated that? Not yet?
     
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    Don't know why the hate on this dude. He sounds nothing like the two, if he did I wouldn't like him because I hate drake
     
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    This dude sounds like a Drake and Hopsin hybrid

    I can't unhear it
     
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    Sing about me im dying of thirst, U, I, The Art of Peer Pressure, Cartoons and Cereal, Alright, MAAD City, b---- don't k--- my vibe, swimming pools, backseat freestyle, king kunta, the blacker the berry, How Much a Dollar Cost, Rigamortis, A.D.H.D are all objectively better than every joyner song ever
     
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    Why does a thread about a corny netcee have four pages
     
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    These tracks better than anything Kendrick has put out. Kendrick mad overrated





     
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    maybe because hes corny
     
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    better than kendrick .
     
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