Aug 3, 2017 Says the guy more concerned with horse race politics than substance. Let's strategically move right until we get enough votes. I don't see a downside to that at all. As long as our party wins, who cares what we stand for. This is sports! Uh, yeah striving to perfect is just another way to say "improvement". I stand for better. My enemy will always be the present circumstance
Aug 3, 2017 wrong... again. I'm concerned with politics and winning elections to positively impact working families, no argument here lol. You want to engage in tribalism and piety-pout about Bernie Sanders. So no, this isn't a sport or game. Shame on you. Please your only enemy is weight watchers lol edit - seriously folks ::adjusts tie:: marc_tesla is just being naive. you HAVE to proceed this way to ultimately change things -- history repeatedly makes this point. Everything chaz is spouting is hypothetical platitude bs. and really, who knows what he rly believes -- he's copy and pasting off wikipedia to get my attention ffs lol
Aug 3, 2017 You verbatim called politics a game and have repeatedly resorted to some dumb a--- game theory to justify your overwhelming compromise of principles we both agree with. I'm gonna go ahead and cast votes for candidates who support policies I agree with (astonishing, I know). That's how you get people to pay attention to them. Not by supporting the second worst policies and crossing your fingers.
Aug 3, 2017 i said it's NOT a game, creep. God you're bad at this. We need to win elections now, there's too much at stake. It's not "dumb a---" "crossing your fingers" or even a "compromise of principles" -- it's strategic thinking. Hard stop. And like... no one is asking you to vote for or against anyone. I doubt you vote lol but regardless -- this isn't about you or your weirdo pals having their egos hurt. Go sit (edit or better yet, reread my posts lol. all politics is local)
Aug 3, 2017 What's the incentive for the democrats to promote better policy than they currently are if they keeping winning? What's their incentive to push policy against their largest donors and various wealthy institutions that pour millions into lobbying? How is voting for candidates who support stripping women of their rights not a compromise of principles? Feel free to ask some questions back. I think this mode of discussion might help clear things up for both of us.
Aug 3, 2017 so... i've proved you wrong - yet again - and you're just going to waste time by lobbing questions at me lol. you truly love my attention 1. reread my posts 2. think about the phrase "all politics is local" and internalize it anyway: democrats win because they listen to what the most people want, they lose when they don't that's how politics works large donors and wealthy institutions are not some monolith, only an idiot thinks that Hold on: pause. in this broad sense voting for candidates who support stripping women of their rights is absolutely compromise of principles...nobody with any control over Dem strategy is asking anybody to vote for that straw-man candidate described whats being referred to-plain and simple- is that dems are considering not completely severing candidates, largely of catholic religious affiliation, who have personal, moral reservations about having zero restriction whatsoever to abortion access, but who still support access to abortion as a principle and in the practice of health care law. that we're not going to tell a candidate in a state that has very large populations with those same religious reservations about abortion being sinful, that if they agree with those moral reservations they can just f--- off What do you think about what happened to Heath Mello, the dem mayoral candidate who could've been the face of a new generation of Nebraska Democrats? that's the hypothetical i'd like you to answer
Aug 3, 2017 Charlie majorly overlearning the lessons of 2016. He's like the guy who promises to never get married just bc his parents got a divorce
Aug 3, 2017 Good dog. Now stop supporting them until they start listening. They haven't in years. Yeah, it's an encompassing term out of convenience, and nd anybody wealthy enough affect politics share a class concern Hold on: pause. in this broad sense voting for candidates who support stripping women of their rights is absolutely compromise of principles...nobody with any control over Dem strategy is asking anybody to vote for that straw-man candidate described So do they hope to fool their constituency otherwise? What's the advantage of a pro-life candidate if they're pro-choice? This sounds like you want to pull one over on the public with a trojan horse. This sounds eerily similar to Hillary's spiel about having a public position and having a private position. Is this supposed to be a gotcha question where I admit I don't follow many local politics besides my own? lol. If he was the candidate who best aligned with my views running in that particular race, which he very well could have been in a place Nebraska, then sure. No gripes. Fund him. I mean, I can't create candidates out of thin air that magically agree with me lol. The fact that I admit that my ideals are constrained by reality seems lost on everybody in this thread. I can still pick the one who I agree with the most. People in this thread are losing their s--- that somebody might base their votes on policy instead of in service of a cynical calculation that has failed spectacularly for decades. The democrats you're so loyal to have serious flaws that run very deep. It's increasingly less hard to find people to their left with stronger platforms and who don't have a history of winning votes with weightless rhetoric. I mean, this might shatter everyone's assumptions about me, but I'll likely vote for a democrat for president next time. That position holds too much unilateral power to risk. Again, an overwhelming majority of Bernouts did such last election. Am I willing to risk a midterm to assert some agency over what I want from this world? Yes. Am I willing to risk a primary? Yes.
Aug 3, 2017 Such an embarrassing post by @Charlie Work -- take your loss (and another extended break from responding lol)
Aug 3, 2017 I think that must've been in my clipboard lol. Or I just royally f----- up. Idk. Alright, this discussion has regressed to dogshit. Gonna take a permanent break.
Aug 4, 2017 i hate that we live in a culture where someone mocking you for a laughably awful blog post can inspire, like...pride, or something. every time your name comes up i chuckle at how wide the gap is between how smart you think you are and how smart you actually are.
Aug 4, 2017 do you honestly believe this? you sincerely think that something so bad that it got you literally run off of a f---ing message board is "successful" because people remember how bad it was?
