Is Jay Z the closest thing to an objective GOAT in hip hop?

Started by Big Dangerous, Nov 29, 2017, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Michael Myers
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    I started really listening to rap in 2007 (I was 15). I went back listening to classics and loved them. But I can also appreciate future etc. I truly fail to understand why people can't enjoy both older rap and modern day. Both are great in their own way imo
     
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    I don't think it is anymore because there are so many albums that have a bigger impact
     
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    like what
     
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    This is the most Michael Myers post I've ever seen
     
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    Not sure how to take this :comeon:
     
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    reesey What You Looking At This For?

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    The College Dropout and 808s basically created a new generation of backpack rappers and rapper/singer hybrids

    Madvillainy created a new generation of alternative rappers

    The Documentary- influenced almost every current west coast artist

    The Blueprint - More influential than illmatic nowadays tbh
     
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    The 90s birthed a lot of dope s--- too, maybe you should listen to them for the first time
     
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    Gives my vanilla, normal experience. Share a widely accepted opinion that is unlikely to upset everyone. Meet common ground. Everything is as good as everything.


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    Madvillainy is not that influential lol. I'll give you College Dropout. 808s? Nah that impact is exaggerated. And Illmatic influenced rappers from the mid-late 90s, rappers from the 00s, and rappers from 2010-2015 and 2015-present. It's honestly not debatable. The only album that might be more influential is The Chronic. The BP is a good example tho
     
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    Big Fish Theory>>>Any album from the 90's
    Imho
     
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    Kind of hard to say since you never listened to the 90s records
     
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    All those are good answers for classic albums (except the documentary which didn't influence anything and is overrated as f---), but I dunno if they're on par in influence with Illmatic except for 808s.
     
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    Life After Death is overrated btw
     
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    Did Illmatic really influence anything so much as encapsulate stuff that was already happening in its best form?
     
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    You've never listened to it btw
     
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    I love the dough and hypnotize slap though
     
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    Life after death is better than any of your favorite albums @COLLEGROVE
     
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    I can agree with that—I should have said impact rather than influence because I think this argument is kind of changing by mincing of words—but I'd argue it's the perfect example of a quintessential rap album.
     
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    My Top 5 s----s on that album imho

    1. Schoolboy Q - Blank Face LP
    2. Vince Staples - Big Fish Theory
    3. M.I.A. - Arular
    4. MF Doom - MM Food
    5. Eminem - MMLP
     
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    @Charlie Work really what I mean is that I don't think that a bunch of albums coming out that are as revered as Illmatic takes away from its status as an impactful, quintessential rap album, and that's basically what some people were arguing. To go back to the film analogy, the fact that so many great films have come out since Citizen Kane doesn't make it any less impactful.
     
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