Is Jay Z the closest thing to an objective GOAT in hip hop?

Started by Big Dangerous, Nov 29, 2017, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Nov 29, 2017
    I don't think it belongs anywhere near a top 25 list but I think calling it trash is a little much.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    Renegade shouldn't be up for debate. Jay 2 > Em 1 > Jay 1 > Em 2
     
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  3. Bourbon Ben
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    Tbh illmatic is the citizen kane of rap
     
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    Why u wanna say no to this? Perfect pick tbh
     
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    2pac the undisputable goat
     
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    TimmyT Self-Taught

    Nov 29, 2017
    jay-z is gonna be in D.C. tonight. i've never seen him live. heard he's a very good live performer. i wish i could go, but i won't be able to make it. sucks too because given his age, he probably won't be touring much longer
     
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    Stfu
     
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    this is also very true. Very good, but VERY VERY VERY overrated. When people drop it as the best in their opinion its to sound like they know whats up.
     
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    you know it ain't the best flick you've seen Koolo, you know that
     
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    Ive seen that f---in film 8 times in film classes during my 2 year stay at my college
     
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    Cancel whatever u have and go man
     
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    It is
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    I mean, this is not really how I would describe Citizen Kane or Illmatic lol
     
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    Well, as Ben said it's hard to find a close analogy cuz we're comparing one genre that primarily exists in one country that's been around for 40 years to a whole medium that's been around for 100 in many countries. But the reason why my gut said 'no' is because I don't think a serious rap critic would scoff at MBDTF in the top 25 but a serious film critic would scoff at shawshank in a top 25 list.

    basically: MBDTF, I would say, is in the upper echelon of rap. shawshank is not in the upper echelon of film. but they're definitely both common mainstream picks for #1 by people with a limited scope on their respective medium/genre.
     
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    Eminem kanye and Shawshank

    Koolo got that mainstream taste on lock
     
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    Ahead of their time maybe what he was going for? I dunno
     
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    Stfu

    I was on shawahank d-ck WAYYYYYYYYYY before it became mainstream. I was watchibg that s--- all the time on vhs

    Also i can school you on movies f--- boi
     
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    I assume that's what he meant but I think even that analogy falls apart: Kane completely innovated a lot of techniques that would become foundational to film. Illmatic altered existing formulas.
     
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    No u cant
     
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    n----- i see one movie a day

    Dont wanna go rounds with this old man
     
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